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we're live ladies and gentlemen how's

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everyone doing this evening I would like

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to make a special shout out to our den

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mother Ellen who has been extremely

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patient I know it's been a while since

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several years in fact uh so I just

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wanted to be able to apologize for all

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those in the chat it has been kind of uh

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kind of crazy the last couple of days

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um the basement that I was in last week

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is now construction zone as you can see

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everything's blurred out because there's

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um but that's neither here nor there

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I'm very thankful that I'm able to

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welcome a good dear old friend onto the

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and first just to let everyone know uh

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super chats are open so if you do want

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to be able to throw a super chat up you

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can pretty much at any point we'll read

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them out as they come or just wait to

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the last back quarter of the show as

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well as don't forget to visit

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uh for all the patreons patrons that are

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who has been a very long-term supporter

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everything sorted out I haven't even

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years or four years so if you're

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contributing fantastic it helps with the

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software we're using to actually stream

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and and keep things going as well as uh

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possible to be able to do the show

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especially when your wife is like you're

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running the podcast again yes how much

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this is going to cost us

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you know we'll we'll take it as it comes

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um but again it's not about making money

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did want to be able to welcome uh

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William but again you've you've seen the

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the ads you've seen the Facebook group

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uh but you have not seen the man William

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Pullen on the show for quite some time

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uh William is a pastor at UFO Enthusiast

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historian independent researcher who's

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dedicated his life to understanding the

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complex and enigmatic world of

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unidentified flying objects with a keen

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eye for detail and a strong commitment

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to evidence-based research William has

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developed a reputation as a trusted

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voice in the UFO Community through his

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personal blog you will feel real a

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historical review

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insightful perspective on the history of

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UFO sightings encounters and research by

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analyzing past incidents and Trends he

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helps his audience to better understand

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the current state of phenomenon or the

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phenomenon and his implica into the

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implications for the future William's

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think you're up to like 7.7 000 right

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and readers value his thoughtful and

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well researched commentary on subjects

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that often provoke strong emotions and

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Divergent opinions and

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you know for the

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now Williams interesting UFOs began at a

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young age and we could probably go

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through that

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now he has also been a staunch advocate

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for open and honest discussion about

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UFOs encouraging a respectful and

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rational discourse with the within the

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community it leaves that the key to

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understanding UFO phenomena lies in

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maintaining a critical and inquisitive

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mindset and he is not afraid to question

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wildly widely held beliefs and

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assumptions through his blog he seeks to

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create a space for engaging conversation

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for individuals can explore their ideas

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and opinions while learning from each

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other's perspectives William once again

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welcome to

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the den of Laura so you've you've pulled

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up your chair you've got your your

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again it's an honor to be here always a

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pleasure my goodness you're you're one

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of the world's most renowned UFO

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historians and you're honored to be on

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my show writing for my basement

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currently I'm I'm pretty much though the

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Honor's mind the honor is all mine we

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share a pension for

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maintaining a level of critical thinking

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ah you know the older I get the more I

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um entertain some far out possibilities

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without losing our ability to think we

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can still use our brains so you and I

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have always uh shared that in common uh

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a common search for the answers and you

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know using what that gray matter in our

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head that we evolved so you know it's

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all good I've always found that you're

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several years

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and your ability to remain eloquent and

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level-headed when

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um so you know I normally the last four

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episodes I actually planned out I didn't

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the file so we're just going to do this

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old school in wing it today so I'm quite

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excited for this

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now for those who don't know like how

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like everyone's got an origin story uh

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um what what is your origin story how

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the community as a whole yeah

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um and Mike I grew up with Star Trek

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the original series it was in reruns in

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to be something real about it

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the idea that yeah we're seeing a movie

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uh in reality are there other people's

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out there in Universe I was always

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fascinated by that that uh idea

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high school in college and I actually

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resource organization

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four years of the organization and um

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just reading content I was reading their

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their journals and getting to know

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what's been seen and what's been claimed

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and what have you and then I really

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really a member of the community

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whatever that means

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um the local community is a term that as

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Thomas going on has kind of really

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doesn't have mean much to me really at

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this point but um

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going to college that people I've

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interacted with and people just know

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even my blog and uh they all know my my

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fascination with the unknown extends

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past you opposed but are you opposed to

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being they've taken the Lion's Share of

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my thought process for decades so um

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the community because I've never seen

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talk about the data for me I have no

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personal experience to refer to it's all

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uh exploring what other people have seen

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unidentified flying objects like what is

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on an airplane or a helicopter or what a

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satellite looks like you can identify it

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um you know like technically that would

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gotten pushback like it has or I should

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pushback like has this really hit you

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you know what why do you do it what

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what's what's kind of the point or or do

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you just Shake It Off

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I just take it all I mean everyone has

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their own opinion whether I agree with

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their own point of view and their own

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experiences or like their own I'm okay

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than that I just want to know are we

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alone have they visited here

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the chances of us being alone in the

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universe is virtually nil with all the

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billions and billions of planets out

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there uh the vast majority of which we

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the question is if they come here that's

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the question we all have

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idea we have been visited I have no

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um but the pushback thing actually it's

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not a big deal every Swap and every few

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years I'll get a comment on my blog

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spending something like well you've

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isn't really valid

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points of view of Kevin Randall and and

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they've never received UFO either well I

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um trusted Authority uh logical fallacy

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Friedman was a rocket scientist uh

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whereas you're you're not to my

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knowledge well like what what when

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you're not blogging on UFOs

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you know what what's your day your day

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to day

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I'm a semi retired tennis coach

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semi-retired you're still a young guy

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what do you mean semi-retired I I put in

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20 years at the Alba Heights School

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District I put in two years that in

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cornerwood high school you're in San

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Antonio so I retired from Elmo Heights

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I'm still working as a coach

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independently

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um so that that that's how I make a

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living

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but when I'm on the court

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me and my life is very my life is cut

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into three parts

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my wife Venus

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my Congratulations by the way I I didn't

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get a chance to say that in person to

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you oh yeah yeah she'll be she'll be

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walking from work at some point tonight

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but yeah my life has three aspects you

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know a fourth aspect when the end of All

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Seasons underway but beyond that it's

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just those three things and even when

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I'm on the court I'm looking up to say

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okay I'm Outdoors you know but I come

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across something

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um

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but I mean this is a question no one has

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any answers to and of course we once

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we want educated people from different

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fields to examine this issue like any

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other issue that's unknown that that

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counts for a lot you know

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um but any person who has a measured

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logical critical thinking kind of

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approach to this topic regardless of

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their background

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could have some input

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um and uh and most people would say that

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that's kind of the truth uh like if if

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we don't necessarily know what it is or

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the technology so far beyond us if it is

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uh you know something not from this

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planet then you know anybody can can

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make a comment on it and be an expert uh

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you know some people would throw back

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that there's there is a certain

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understanding you know with with regards

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to physics or aerodynamics or you know

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what have you that would provide more

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insight into what these things are or at

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least be able to identify if something

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you know can turn on it at a 90 degree

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angle

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well you know that could be XYZ or you

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know this is uh you know swamp gas

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versus you know exhaust fumes but I I

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would think that at this point because

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we don't know what it is you know some

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of that expertise just goes right out

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it goes right out the window to to some

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extent

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absolutely yeah there's

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the level of ignorance we have about the

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universe around us is astounding

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the more we learned about the universe

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around us

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the

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grows but we still have this vast amount

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of ignorance we have surrounding that

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so the search for knowledge is never

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ending

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um

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in my experience in the local field the

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UFO Community is populated by

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uh Skeptics like myself who are measured

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and cautious then there are the True

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Believers the True Believers are in two

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camps one individuals that believe

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everything is alien or individuals that

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believe nothing is alien

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uh and so those those polarized points

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of view

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um the True Believers tend to

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stick to their positions no matter what

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no matter what the evidence is no matter

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what Dad is brought Force so they they

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closed their mind off to learning more

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whereas myself I always I always tell

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people you know my opinion amounts to

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nothing I can't prove anything I'm

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always searching for more knowledge and

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I think that's a good thing now what's

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the difference between a skeptic and

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let's say somebody who's considered a

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uh to my mind a skeptic is an individual

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that that is cautious and withholds

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making a declaration of a position until

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after they've looked at all the data

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they they educate themselves about

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whatever topic they're examining and way

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to declare what they think until after

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they've learned as much as they can

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about the topic

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um

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is Iraq a uh a a critical thinker along

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those lines it's kind of the same thing

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uh but that skeptic label is thrown

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around a lot in the opal field

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Skeptics and debunkers are labeled

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they're lumped into one big big uh jumbo

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pile of poop and they're different a

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debunker is an individual that has made

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their mind up prior to if they ever look

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at the data they made their mind up

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there's a weather balloon or birds or

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alien spacecraft whatever the case may

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be they made their mind up prior to any

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examination of the information a skeptic

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withholds their their declaration so

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after they've educated themselves so

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they're two different things

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but in the UFO appeal if you don't

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believe it's alien you labeled a

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debunker that's kind of the funny thing

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like the the debunker label gets thrown

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around like you know

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if you want to be able to vilify

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somebody you know it's like oh this

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person's a debunker I've been called it

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a bunker

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um by

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trying to remember his name

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it's been so long

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[Laughter]

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oh my goodness oh my goodness it's been

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that long of a day uh radio show guy

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lives in Vegas

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oh uh

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um George Knapp yeah I know he never

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called me by name but he's like you know

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when there was the whole to the Stars

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Academy thing and and that you know the

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apparent alleged scam I'm not gonna call

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it because I know my legal you know the

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boundaries I gotta go and it's like man

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that you know that those debunkers

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they're they're just trying to keep you

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from the truth and I'm like

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no I'm not a debunker I just think

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you're full of [\h__\h] you know or at least

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you in particular on this particular

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subject yeah um but

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you know the if if you're trying to uh

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assuage your followers or that you know

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your marks

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um and trying to make sure that they

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they think that the other side is

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completely wrong yeah you're gonna go

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right for the right for the nuclear

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option sure like have you been called it

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a bunker have you been you know more

447
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guys I can kill

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uh they call it the other choice Words

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which one will be here because there's

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ladies listening I'm sure but uh it

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happens I mean it's interesting uh I

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recall the late Sam agreement always

453
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used to say that individuals that are

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ready to attack you will attack you as

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opposed to attacking the data

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they've already had their minds made up

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um and he was right you know if

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someone's uncomfortable with my position

459
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about a case or what have you uh I mean

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don't call me a name just bring forth

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some information that will possibly

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convince me to change my mind I'm cool

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with that it's all about learning you

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know that that's kind of true and I I

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find that you know on the flip side too

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the archeology too you know like the

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ancient history archaeologists to Graham

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Hancock and you know the back and forth

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between just individuals and that in

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that realm you know he'll go on

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grandma go on wild tirades about how

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he's treated and and uh you know he'll

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call them all sorts of very eloquent you

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know names to people to to position them

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and they'll say like oh you know like we

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don't do that we don't call him names

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and then they just turn around and start

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calling him names and I'm like

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you're you're both doing you're both

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doing it man like yeah it's it's you

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know at the same time it's like they're

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they're getting grant money and he's

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made he's selling more books so it's

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it's it's part of the part of the

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entertainment sphere

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um yeah that's kind of the next thing

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that is has always been a big thing for

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me UFO

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ufology UFO research the the UFO

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Community is a massive and again I'm

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saying this for any of the new potential

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viewers anybody else who's subscribed

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and you know listens to the show and I'm

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seeing Lee I'm seeing you know anybody

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who watches the show on a constant basis

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you you know

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you know what I'm about to say uh it

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seems to be very big entertainment

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industry

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um which is responsible for generating

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billions and billions of dollars uh you

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know from ad revenue from merchandise

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sales from uh uh tickets to you know

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conferences

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um

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you know in various deserts

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that people claim to be contacted at

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um where they're getting

509
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you know these experts these speakers

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who are then paid to be there they're

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you know given VIP access you know hotel

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rooms flights the whole nine yards and

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they meet up and they get television

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deals they get paid for their television

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appearances so it seems like uh it's

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always reminded me a lot kind of like

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pro wrestling where they know it's

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entertainment they know that what

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they're saying but has no real basis

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even if there is a real phenomena but

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they're just trying to be able to feed

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the masses with content because this is

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what they want to hear and as long as

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they keep getting the money they're just

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going to keep doing it

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that's exactly that you you nailed you

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uh hit the nail in the head and that's

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exactly what's happening uh sorry sorry

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um yeah from a number standpoint I love

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numbers and data

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um if if let's say

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from one to a hundred how many people

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how many researchers quote unquote are

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actually working on the Oppo issue and

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how many versus how many are just

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basically celebrities

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uh appearing on the circuit I would

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think people are working on the actual

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vehicle problem are probably less than

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five percent

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by working on the UFO problem can you

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define what you would say would be

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working on the UFO problem they are

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conducting field investigations they are

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examining videos they are vetting

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documentation they are searching for

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through foil requests looking for

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documentation according to UFOs they are

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examining alleged physical evidence they

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are uh looking at videos and photographs

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to determine what's hoaxed what isn't

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they're actually working on the content

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people are bringing forth to them which

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may or may not be valid but it's the

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exercise that counts

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um the rest are appearing accomplishes

557
00:20:51,890 --> 00:20:50,039
better notice festivals they're doing a

558
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,900
whole Litany of

559
00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:54,000
other operations like selling tickets

560
00:20:59,630 --> 00:20:58,020
selling books doing shows this is not a

561
00:21:02,510 --> 00:20:59,640
show Chris this is a program there's a

562
00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:02,520
difference there a program asks well

563
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:04,820
this is a YouTube stream for my basement

564
00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:07,799
completely different uh program is

565
00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:09,660
hosted by an individual that will

566
00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:12,539
challenge the guests with logical

567
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:14,520
measured questions to make them defend

568
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:16,620
their positions a show

569
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:19,200
is hosted by somebody who just goes

570
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,360
along with whatever rhetoric the guest

571
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:23,760
is putting forth so that makes sense

572
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:26,400
that makes sense here and it's not it's

573
00:21:30,909 --> 00:21:27,360
not

574
00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:30,919
it does the entire field uh just service

575
00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:32,760
what would who would you say would be

576
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:33,659
the biggest

577
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:36,179
at least alleged perpetrator again we

578
00:21:40,970 --> 00:21:37,980
have to be careful with with our

579
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:40,980
language uh I I should like who who's

580
00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:43,020
the biggest like who in your mind is the

581
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:45,419
person who's in that camp

582
00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:47,220
um that allegedly would be doing this

583
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,460
kind of hokey non-sciency more Showbiz

584
00:21:54,820 --> 00:21:52,320
type stuff if claiming to be a scientist

585
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,830
at this time

586
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,159
[Music]

587
00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:58,320
you got

588
00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:01,140
the the issue with the European is that

589
00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:02,580
you have people that were researching

590
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,200
things and they've morphed into

591
00:22:09,770 --> 00:22:07,200
celebrities

592
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:09,780
um and they're going from actually doing

593
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,000
research with Witnesses and that has

594
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:14,400
changed to

595
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,780
um simply

596
00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:17,520
make it appearances on conferences and

597
00:22:20,110 --> 00:22:18,419
whatnot

598
00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:20,120
um

599
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,679
I think of people like appear to appear

600
00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:24,419
at every Festival uh Travis Walton

601
00:22:28,490 --> 00:22:26,220
appears at every Festival

602
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,500
and my own my own position on his case

603
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,720
is not the issue the issue is about that

604
00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:32,400
he does every conference he's part of

605
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,640
the circus uh Brian straight it's part

606
00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:37,200
of the circuit Nick Pope is part of the

607
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:38,220
circus

608
00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:46,250
um I guess a bigger issue here nowadays

609
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:47,460
is that

610
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,380
prior to the internet

611
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,140
he had individuals like um

612
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,760
Stan Freeman

613
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:56,640
Kevin Randall you had drawn a blank

614
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,760
Donald Kehoe Alan heineck they conducted

615
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,620
Decades of research and work in the

616
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:03,480
field and gave their notoriety as a

617
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,000
result of that

618
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,380
efforts well keep in mind though as it

619
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,640
was Stanton Friedman and this is and

620
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:10,620
I've been I've interviewed Stanton I was

621
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:11,880
one of his last interviews before he

622
00:23:16,610 --> 00:23:13,860
passed unfortunately

623
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,620
um and one of the things that he told me

624
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,240
and again he this is this is kind of his

625
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:19,679
shtick because he would basically say

626
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:22,860
the the same general story and and he

627
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,140
layered it very very subtextually in

628
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:27,440
terms of this is kind of how it goes

629
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:30,360
where he told his story about how he got

630
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:32,340
into speaking which he was already a

631
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:34,380
scientist and he just kind of got it's

632
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:35,880
like hey you're a scientist can you come

633
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,260
talk about this stuff and he's like okay

634
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,120
and then like after the third or fourth

635
00:23:43,730 --> 00:23:40,799
one he's like I'm starting to get paid

636
00:23:45,890 --> 00:23:43,740
for this and it just kind of rolled from

637
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,900
there so but he still did the research

638
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:47,580
or at least he lent his credibility

639
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,020
towards more of a uh rational mind but I

640
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,760
would say like at least in my opinion

641
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,919
and then he was up there with the you

642
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,320
know with with that Cadre of

643
00:24:01,549 --> 00:24:00,240
entertainers but at least he was one who

644
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,559
had credibility when he was standing up

645
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:03,360
there to a certain extent

646
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:05,820
yes he earned his notoriety as a result

647
00:24:08,930 --> 00:24:07,380
of his work

648
00:24:12,649 --> 00:24:08,940
but again with that beard could you

649
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,659
really ever say no to him like

650
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:14,580
you know

651
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:16,500
I think William's Frozen

652
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:17,760
I gotta take a picture of this one

653
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:19,320
second

654
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:20,940
am I Frozen

655
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,930
oh no

656
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,039
they see you the power just went out

657
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,840
here

658
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:32,760
man man I'm telling you it's the Deep

659
00:24:37,210 --> 00:24:34,500
State Illuminati who's trying to silence

660
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,220
you wow I guess so

661
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,840
my lovely wife is holding the light for

662
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:42,179
me so here she is hello Venus it's been

663
00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:45,059
a long long time uh congratulations I

664
00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:48,120
know it's it's late uh in saying but you

665
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:50,520
know good good to good to see the UFO

666
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,930
I appreciate it and he said better half

667
00:25:07,190 --> 00:24:59,039
never let him forget that okay

668
00:25:12,049 --> 00:25:09,950
we'll go from uh we've gone from people

669
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,059
that gain their noradi as a result of

670
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,919
their work their credentials their

671
00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:15,539
educational background and the Decades

672
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:18,120
of what they did on this issue

673
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,580
and we've come full circle so now people

674
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,039
are getting notoriety for

675
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,740
what and now their notoriety as a result

676
00:25:29,450 --> 00:25:27,360
of them doing conferences selling books

677
00:25:31,010 --> 00:25:29,460
what not but did they do the work to

678
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:31,020
earn that position

679
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,059
I I don't know if they have any

680
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:35,460
peer-reviewed papers have they published

681
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,980
books of actual work and not just

682
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:39,539
their opinions

683
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,860
um

684
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,960
that is an issue nowadays and that

685
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,700
that's the end result of social media in

686
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,440
the internet they've allowed them that

687
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,299
those platforms have allowed them to

688
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,159
gain a level of notoriety

689
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:52,020
without having to work

690
00:25:58,250 --> 00:25:54,539
per se and um

691
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,260
that is the UFO field now in a you know

692
00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:00,240
in an International Film it really is

693
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:02,039
and so it's a

694
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,140
it's a Yoko circuit it's your whole

695
00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:06,539
industry and now you have accomplished

696
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:08,520
this or festivals

697
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,740
um where people are paid to speak sell

698
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,260
their books take selfies

699
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:14,880
um with other researchers and other

700
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:16,140
people and they dress up in their

701
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:17,820
outfits in their 10 ball have some

702
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,820
addressable hey hey hey our producer

703
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,279
Audrey does do that goes to shows and

704
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,799
she has a great time not a bad thing to

705
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:28,080
be able to close to cosplay let's just

706
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,880
let's just end that right there it's

707
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:32,520
when you're claiming that you're a time

708
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,960
traveling

709
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:35,340
super cop

710
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:38,400
that was trained with Obama on the dark

711
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:40,260
side of the moon or Mars and you work

712
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,900
with space bird aliens that's kind of

713
00:26:46,909 --> 00:26:45,299
where the bad part is and trust me those

714
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:46,919
people who do that at these conferences

715
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:47,880
from what I can understand at least

716
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:49,020
remember I'm not sure if you're still

717
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:50,220
around

718
00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:51,299
um that's another thing we're gonna get

719
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,080
into is uh not not not CD directly but

720
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:57,360
just more that kind of end of things

721
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,140
um

722
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:01,020
like the the characters and I've been

723
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,279
out of the game a while so I'm like okay

724
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,559
if I'm going to do a UFO show who's the

725
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:06,720
guy I'm going to call first which is you

726
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,220
know the the the wgp uh the big man Lou

727
00:27:16,250 --> 00:27:14,340
Elizondo well no I was going to call you

728
00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:16,260
because you you got your pulse on the

729
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,820
ground floor but what's going on I'm a

730
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,640
little bit of the loop with regrets you

731
00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,799
know the drama the going ons and and you

732
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:24,179
know what characters are currently out

733
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:26,400
who's got the latest gimmick for all you

734
00:27:31,390 --> 00:27:28,440
pro wrestling fans out there

735
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:35,029
yeah they have their podcast they have

736
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:37,860
they have leaked videos that come out

737
00:27:41,870 --> 00:27:39,419
every few weeks with Drive John

738
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:41,880
Greenwald nuts and Cameron too they're

739
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:43,380
just like really more content like this

740
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:44,820
and

741
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,020
having alleged Elite videos or

742
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,720
documentation that they they they they

743
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,000
put it out there then the next shoe

744
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:59,100
doesn't drop

745
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,419
um more information doesn't come to

746
00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,980
light yeah because they've got to keep

747
00:28:06,409 --> 00:28:03,419
you on the hook for the next week

748
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,419
yeah for example was they had a uh

749
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,360
emotional orb which is a short

750
00:28:12,730 --> 00:28:11,460
uh it was a screenshot of a legend video

751
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:12,740
that was taken

752
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,960
home yeah it was an oral photograph of a

753
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,760
remorseful and then they talked about

754
00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:19,679
that and no information came to light

755
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,220
after that so where we at it's just um

756
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:25,380
how the subscriber number's been that's

757
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,299
that's the next question you know yeah

758
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:29,279
that's you know what what is the traffic

759
00:28:33,130 --> 00:28:31,260
like what how many conversions are there

760
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,140
getting on there on their sign up page

761
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:35,400
how many newsletters are they putting

762
00:28:38,049 --> 00:28:36,659
out a week

763
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:38,059
um

764
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:44,760
Lazar or that stuff

765
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,220
so it's just content between a

766
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,159
documentary shows for sale

767
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:52,980
to bring money together like to

768
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,220
uh you know it's all self-promotion uh

769
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,260
which is fine and of itself but that is

770
00:29:01,630 --> 00:29:00,480
not research that is not working on the

771
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:01,640
issue

772
00:29:08,390 --> 00:29:05,340
no well how how do you like you you were

773
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,400
part of mufon as well in Texas

774
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:11,100
at least for a very short amount of time

775
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:12,620
um and

776
00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,240
oh well again that's that's

777
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,020
we're going to talk about that yeah

778
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,640
uh but you've done the research you

779
00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:22,140
understand like you've been part of the

780
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,179
the the groups before and I know that

781
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,520
primarily that you're

782
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:28,500
um you know your contributions over the

783
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:30,179
last several years

784
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,840
um

785
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:32,399
I'm gonna say several years around

786
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:34,200
decades because I still see you as you

787
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:35,820
know a young guy you're a lot more

788
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,799
active than I am so I'm like if you can

789
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:39,659
you can teach somebody to run around to

790
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:41,700
run around a tennis court even half

791
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:42,779
retired

792
00:29:51,169 --> 00:29:49,070
but like you're you're primarily around

793
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:51,179
the documentation and discussion over

794
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:52,980
either historical events current events

795
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:55,980
so you look at the uh the overall

796
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,740
arching but it's a storyline or at least

797
00:30:01,490 --> 00:30:00,299
situation

798
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,500
um but you don't necessarily like you

799
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:03,000
haven't gone out in the field in quite

800
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,460
some time have you no this is almost

801
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:08,159
nine years now yeah what was it like

802
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:14,210
um it was an exercising futility

803
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:17,100
uh to be blunt uh the vast majority of

804
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:18,779
reports were

805
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:21,899
turned out to be misidentified aircraft

806
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,600
uh books of the Witnesses on windshield

807
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,679
Birds hoaxes

808
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,940
the Hulk says again we're a very small

809
00:30:32,409 --> 00:30:31,440
percentage but the vast majority were

810
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:32,419
just

811
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,760
misidentifications of mundane so you're

812
00:30:39,649 --> 00:30:37,140
literally spending so many money to go

813
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,659
investigate a flock of burdens or

814
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:42,240
aircraft or a misidentified planetary

815
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,360
system or whatever or or uh when two

816
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:46,880
planets lined up we had

817
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:49,020
Venus and um

818
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:53,159
I think with Jupiter uh were lined up in

819
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:55,020
the night sky I think was early early

820
00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:56,399
this month

821
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,740
and people were inundated with UFO

822
00:31:03,950 --> 00:31:00,240
reports

823
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,960
over people misunder apply two planets

824
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:06,360
um so that kind of stuff was immediately

825
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:08,520
frustrating but it's part of the process

826
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,740
of trying to weed out we're trying to

827
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,899
explain cases that that warrant

828
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,580
explanation trying to find those

829
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:16,020
unexplained cases

830
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:16,679
um

831
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:20,460
and I never found a case that

832
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,760
that strongly suggested really enormous

833
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,200
activity everything virtually everything

834
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:28,860
was explainable uh in mundane terms

835
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,260
which was not frustrating but you know

836
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,320
it is what it is so you know I I get

837
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:36,960
that and I know from from an experience

838
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:38,039
that I used to talk about on the show

839
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,659
all the time that freaked me out when I

840
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
first saw it

841
00:31:45,889 --> 00:31:43,440
um where is I I saw

842
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:45,899
um at least at least here in Auto they

843
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,059
call it St lucian's lights it's ball

844
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,640
lightning uh caused but because we're on

845
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,860
a fault line and you know I had a

846
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,960
picture of it and I'm like man this like

847
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:56,340
it was you know it was it was a straight

848
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:59,399
up glowing glowing orb that danced

849
00:32:03,649 --> 00:32:01,860
around and I watched it for an x amount

850
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,659
of time and it just absolutely freaked

851
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,460
the heck out of me and then I'm like oh

852
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,500
ball lightning this is how it you know

853
00:32:11,289 --> 00:32:09,059
what causes it this is what it can look

854
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,299
like and I I got more into

855
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,440
understanding that phenomenon saying

856
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,080
okay it was it aliens maybe was it you

857
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:18,000
know the was it plausibly something else

858
00:32:21,289 --> 00:32:19,860
yeah you know more and more likely than

859
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:21,299
anything else yeah

860
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,820
and it brings the fear down uh it also

861
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,679
kind of bums you out because you're like

862
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,840
damn you know like I thought it was

863
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,299
something cooler than that yeah but then

864
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:31,620
it's like well I actually saw ball

865
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:33,539
lightning you know how many people do

866
00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:35,880
you know of that have been able to

867
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,740
actually well besides the

868
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,779
potential tens of thousands of people

869
00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:41,520
who've also seen it claiming it was an

870
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:44,340
old UFO but how you know like that's a

871
00:32:47,389 --> 00:32:45,899
phenomenon that is very rarely seen and

872
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,399
it's like maybe that's something that's

873
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:50,159
even cooler you know so

874
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,000
I I try and frame it around that but if

875
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,600
you've got individuals who are saying oh

876
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,279
man I saw this something I can't explain

877
00:33:03,710 --> 00:33:01,919
and then you explain it to them do they

878
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,720
generally get more entrenched in their

879
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,940
belief or do they you know like do they

880
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,980
reject what you're saying and say no man

881
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,080
it's got to be aliens or you know do

882
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,480
they kind of do what I did and you know

883
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,600
just more sit down and like ah okay that

884
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:18,000
kind of sucked yeah

885
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:18,960
um

886
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,240
I started doing field investigations by

887
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:23,700
about 9293

888
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:25,260
on my own

889
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:27,659
um I never the whole football thing we

890
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:29,159
can discuss later but I never joined

891
00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,580
mukon uh the actual organization but

892
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:34,620
um in the 90s people seem to be much

893
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:35,700
more

894
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:39,539
accepting of the investigation the

895
00:33:42,190 --> 00:33:40,799
results of that

896
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,200
um so if it turned out to be

897
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,820
misidentified birds or or what about

898
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:46,919
whatever the explanation was see people

899
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:49,679
seem to let a lot more willing to accept

900
00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:54,889
um something happened around the 2000s

901
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,720
where people just became more

902
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,720
yeah and uh so now

903
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:03,360
an investigator can bring forth you they

904
00:34:07,970 --> 00:34:05,340
they probably reported woop on the field

905
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,980
investigator is assigned that case they

906
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,839
conduct an investigation they do it

907
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,940
thoroughly objectively hopefully using

908
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:13,919
the scientific method gather as much

909
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,020
information they can compile an

910
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,000
investigative report bring it to the

911
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:20,280
witness that witness reads the report

912
00:34:26,210 --> 00:34:23,399
and will double down on their precon

913
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,220
their preconceived bias and say no I

914
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:28,080
know I saw something alien

915
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,780
it happens all the time now so we've

916
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:33,179
gone from Witnesses saying researchers

917
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:36,060
were closed-minded back 30 years ago

918
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:38,280
now it's reverse the closed-minded

919
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:39,480
individuals in the field are the

920
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,220
witnesses because they're not willing to

921
00:34:45,530 --> 00:34:43,500
accept that

922
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:45,540
a lot of your home reports are a mundane

923
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:47,639
phenomenon they just are

924
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,220
um that has certainly changed yeah do

925
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:51,839
you think that's more of a product of

926
00:34:57,370 --> 00:34:54,780
social media as a whole uh you know

927
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:57,380
media and and the whole Ancient Aliens

928
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,599
fad uh taking off and basically claim

929
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:03,359
that anything is is as a result of alien

930
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:06,720
contact whether ancient or not like is

931
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:08,580
is it people just wanting to feel like

932
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,859
they belong to something or is it just

933
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:12,000
because it's been thrown in front of

934
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:13,800
their eyes so many times and they've

935
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:15,480
been told that everyone else is lying to

936
00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:17,460
them so many times that they're like no

937
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:19,079
I know what I saw I gotta trust my own

938
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,520
eyes

939
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:24,060
I think it's more of the of the

940
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:27,300
the ancient alien slash internet slash

941
00:35:32,930 --> 00:35:30,060
social media kind of deal that scenario

942
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,940
has made individuals just Embrace

943
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,339
everything as extraterrestrial which is

944
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,500
not supported by the data

945
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:39,540
um to look at it coldly I mean there's

946
00:35:44,690 --> 00:35:42,599
available data we have now

947
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,700
for the last 80 years

948
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,520
shows that the percentage of unexplained

949
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,200
cases worldwide is less than three

950
00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,300
percent

951
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,940
and of all those that remaining three

952
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,800
percent or any of the mailing I don't

953
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,720
know possibly maybe maybe not who knows

954
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,300
but we do know the vast majority are

955
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:02,880
explained by mundane phenomena

956
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:06,180
people don't like that declaration

957
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:09,300
despite it being supported by the data

958
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:11,700
um so now people are just enamored with

959
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,079
the Extraterrestrial they're not willing

960
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,240
to buckle from that point of view and

961
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,980
like the ancient alien guys say

962
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,200
everything's alien Asian Alien series

963
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:22,079
say yes they ever say no

964
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:24,300
um so individuals have their minds made

965
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:25,380
up

966
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:28,260
already and it makes you wonder

967
00:36:31,130 --> 00:36:29,640
sometimes why are they bothering you to

968
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:31,140
report anything at all if they've

969
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,640
already got their mind made up why

970
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
actually

971
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:36,480
why ask for an investigation

972
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,560
if they're not going to accept the

973
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:38,880
results of the investigation then what's

974
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:42,740
the point were they expecting a cookie

975
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,980
here's your hat in your T-shirt

976
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,480
yeah

977
00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,880
um you know that's a shame because this

978
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:52,500
is a

979
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:56,160
examination

980
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:58,200
I further leave something's going on in

981
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,820
the skies of overheads

982
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,619
nobody on the planet knows what's going

983
00:37:06,970 --> 00:37:03,720
on it's an unsolved mystery it's a UFO

984
00:37:09,170 --> 00:37:06,980
problem a problem is an unsolved mystery

985
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:09,180
and it's worthy of scientific

986
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,160
examination it's worthy examination on a

987
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:15,119
worldwide basis it is not worthy of a

988
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:17,400
less than serious

989
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:22,310
um kind of approach that's given to it

990
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:24,300
now where we everyone was watching The

991
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,560
History Channel shows and going to

992
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:27,300
festivals and whatnot and they're not

993
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,200
really

994
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,480
focused on okay what's going on what is

995
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,980
going on here

996
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,900
no they're selling their book

997
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,180
they're doing a show they are

998
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:38,160
call themselves an expert when they're a

999
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,619
barista or what have you there no that

1000
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,780
is not working I do you like that Chris

1001
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:44,940
I know you'd love that uh is he still

1002
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:46,680
slinging coffee

1003
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:49,380
or is it has he moved or has he moved to

1004
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,730
with him so

1005
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,599
spring is still

1006
00:38:01,609 --> 00:38:00,420
he was on a he was on a program I can't

1007
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,619
recall the name of the program I won't

1008
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,440
plug it either but it was on um

1009
00:38:09,230 --> 00:38:06,000
Network TV

1010
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:09,240
and he was uh the host of the pro

1011
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:11,099
program she examined different

1012
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:14,460
paranormal issues whether it's Loch Ness

1013
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,160
uh Bigfoot UFOs or whatever well they

1014
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,339
had a Roswell episode of course and

1015
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,079
Sprague is there with her I can't look

1016
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:24,660
over now my memory is shot now at my age

1017
00:38:27,170 --> 00:38:25,440
um

1018
00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:27,180
he's going with her through the episode

1019
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:29,160
they go to the opal Museum they

1020
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,140
discussed it with Frank kimbler who is a

1021
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:33,960
assistant professor of geology at the

1022
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:36,300
New Mexico Military Institute a

1023
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:38,099
qualified researcher and I know him

1024
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,000
personally

1025
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:41,760
um and Sprague has this deer and

1026
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:44,520
headlight look disgusting Roswell as if

1027
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,380
he's never heard about the case at all

1028
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:48,480
is if this is all new to him

1029
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,280
you could ask the average person in New

1030
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:52,320
York City or Chicago Illinois asking

1031
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,940
what is Roswell and they can give you

1032
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,800
the synopsis of the entire case maybe

1033
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:58,320
not the details the general idea of what

1034
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:59,220
happened

1035
00:39:04,849 --> 00:39:02,400
so he's uh promoting a program that's

1036
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,859
it's the celebrity it's the UFO industry

1037
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,079
uh that does not move the field forward

1038
00:39:11,450 --> 00:39:08,720
it doesn't

1039
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,460
we're spitting our Wheels because of

1040
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,440
that kind of that kind of content well

1041
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,200
considering that there you've

1042
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,200
like why why then why would you I'm not

1043
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:21,119
going to say why would you why do you

1044
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:25,260
still do it if this at least and and I'm

1045
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:26,520
playing Devil's Advocate not in a

1046
00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:27,780
negative way but just to be able to

1047
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:30,420
frame things here you're you've

1048
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:33,060
basically taken on this lifelong

1049
00:39:39,230 --> 00:39:37,200
um task of trying to bring rationalism

1050
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:39,240
to something that has become more and

1051
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:41,099
more rational where entropy has taken

1052
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,260
over and it's going completely crazier

1053
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:45,359
and crazier as years go on and you're

1054
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:46,920
still the old school

1055
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:48,119
you know

1056
00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:52,140
voice of reason the gentlemanly

1057
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,420
um uh non-paragraph writer uh that

1058
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480
you know that continuously that's that's

1059
00:40:04,569 --> 00:40:02,400
an inside joke every single post he

1060
00:40:07,089 --> 00:40:04,579
posts does not have paragraphs

1061
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,099
excellently written

1062
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:10,380
well-researched great like pros that I

1063
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,119
would never be able to do

1064
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,440
um uh you know and he does it

1065
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:15,300
effortlessly not one paragraph in the

1066
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,800
entire post just a giant wall of text

1067
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,200
every single time I think he does it

1068
00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:20,400
just to be able to tick me off at this

1069
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,420
point

1070
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:23,700
um but it's like you're you're kind of

1071
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,280
like you're a Don Quixote uh going after

1072
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:29,339
going out the windmills and

1073
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:32,579
you know you have not given up

1074
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,760
uh your purpose and from from what I can

1075
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,680
see you've actually strengthened it

1076
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:40,320
you've become more resilient you've

1077
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:41,640
become more eloquent you've become

1078
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:43,619
better written you're doing posts more

1079
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,420
often

1080
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:48,480
yeah you know you you seem to

1081
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:51,420
um have this fortitude of of

1082
00:40:56,089 --> 00:40:53,880
perseverance that is kind of lacking

1083
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:56,099
like you know I I get stalked by a

1084
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,900
Kabbalah cult for like three four months

1085
00:41:01,130 --> 00:40:59,880
and I'm like man maybe podcasting's not

1086
00:41:02,270 --> 00:41:01,140
for me at this point you know I'm gonna

1087
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,280
take a little bit of a chill and you're

1088
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:04,859
you're getting just

1089
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:07,500
completely slammed sometimes by people

1090
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,640
you know no no evidence uh cases that

1091
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:12,960
are completely

1092
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:19,670
um you know just the scenes getting

1093
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:21,300
crazier the Witnesses are getting

1094
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,220
crazier the media is getting more

1095
00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:25,140
intense on a constant basis and here you

1096
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:27,420
are just continuously just going along

1097
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,339
going along going along and getting

1098
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,720
better and better and better as time

1099
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:32,579
goes on

1100
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:36,119
how how what would you attribute this to

1101
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,980
uh I will answer that question when I

1102
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:40,200
close this bridge sorry Chris I'll be

1103
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:41,220
right back

1104
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:51,050
um

1105
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:52,920
what happens is that individuals when

1106
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,599
they give me their point of view

1107
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,359
and it's contrary to what I think it

1108
00:42:01,970 --> 00:41:59,640
always kicks off a conversation

1109
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:01,980
an exchange of ideas and opinions that's

1110
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,980
grab all for them uh when I get a

1111
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,599
negative

1112
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,300
comment aim toward me

1113
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,880
that becomes personal or I've clearly

1114
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:13,440
made them uncomfortable would be with

1115
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:17,280
the data itself I find that it's firing

1116
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,660
um if I'm not making people

1117
00:42:22,849 --> 00:42:20,160
uncomfortable with the numbers and the

1118
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,859
data I'm not doing my job I'm not I'm

1119
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:24,480
not here to

1120
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:27,359
voice my opinion I'm here to

1121
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,660
clear out the packs I don't know time to

1122
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,359
learn time to research and go from there

1123
00:42:40,210 --> 00:42:38,150
yeah I've read some of my some of my

1124
00:42:43,310 --> 00:42:40,220
blogs from years past and my writing was

1125
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,320
I just don't want to read them

1126
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,540
um whether I've improved or not I'll

1127
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:47,040
take your word for it I appreciate your

1128
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:49,020
kind words but it's um

1129
00:42:54,109 --> 00:42:53,099
I seem to have been reinvigorated as of

1130
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,119
late

1131
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:56,940
um yeah I can understand that and uh

1132
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:00,720
reinvested in just the work just to

1133
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,480
vocalize a rational approach to this

1134
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,240
topic which again is deserting though

1135
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:08,400
focusing on the data we know the

1136
00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:10,380
availability information we have and not

1137
00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:14,760
really engaging in unsupported

1138
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:16,740
um declarations that may or may not be

1139
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,640
true

1140
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:19,140
um we have enough opinion we have 80

1141
00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,819
years of opinions about what's going on

1142
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:22,980
we don't have any answers

1143
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,300
we are not at all and you know

1144
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,940
guesswork and conversation is good it

1145
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:31,740
gets our minds working but it still

1146
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,540
needs to be it still needs to be framed

1147
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,520
within the within the framework of the

1148
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,260
available data

1149
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,319
period we can't just guess and have

1150
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,880
nothing behind us to support our

1151
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:43,440
guesswork

1152
00:43:46,910 --> 00:43:44,280
um

1153
00:43:48,890 --> 00:43:46,920
so it's just become as the last you know

1154
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:48,900
year or two or three it's become a point

1155
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,339
where I'm just writing all the time

1156
00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:52,680
sometimes twice a day so they popped on

1157
00:43:57,230 --> 00:43:54,440
my head and where I see something online

1158
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:57,240
whether it's nonsensical or not I write

1159
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,700
along those lines or make it make an

1160
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:01,260
analogy that doesn't seem like it's

1161
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:03,180
answers you opposed but it is

1162
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,040
in a certain way

1163
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:08,880
um or even just um a case comes to mind

1164
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:11,640
that I wrote about years ago and there's

1165
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,800
more information about it now so my mind

1166
00:44:17,150 --> 00:44:15,660
just changed about it my positions

1167
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:17,160
changed which is another thing that

1168
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,839
never happened nowadays nowadays people

1169
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:21,200
make up their mind about a case and

1170
00:44:25,069 --> 00:44:23,220
regardless of what the data shows

1171
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,079
regardless of what new evidence comes to

1172
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,400
life they won't change their mind

1173
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:31,440
is flip-flopping

1174
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,339
um

1175
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,740
so I'm always writing and processing

1176
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:37,560
thinking and whatnot and and it's just

1177
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:38,460
um

1178
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:41,460
it's a never-ending process but I really

1179
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:43,319
don't think of it as work now because I

1180
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,119
just enjoy it so much well do you get

1181
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:47,040
paid for it

1182
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:53,809
um because it's actually that's actually

1183
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,800
the wrong term you're right it's it's a

1184
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:57,720
wrong choice of words but it's working

1185
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,140
it out it takes a level of dedication a

1186
00:45:06,349 --> 00:45:04,079
level of commitment to getting rights

1187
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:06,359
or not at all

1188
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:07,200
um

1189
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,200
fully one-third of my blogs I write up

1190
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:13,200
I delete them I look at them after I've

1191
00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:14,700
written them before I post them and just

1192
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:15,780
look at the way it's constructed I'm

1193
00:45:19,250 --> 00:45:16,920
like you know I just don't like that

1194
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:19,260
delete it and walk away

1195
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:21,300
because it doesn't either it either

1196
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,880
didn't frame the idea I wanted correctly

1197
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:25,440
or there was the information that was

1198
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,140
left out or it just didn't come off well

1199
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,240
written at all you actually used a hard

1200
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,440
return

1201
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:34,560
yeah yeah so

1202
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:37,260
um uh I thought it separately work it's

1203
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:40,200
it's it's uh it's it's I love the effort

1204
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:42,599
to do it I love the effort of writing

1205
00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:44,760
and researching and learning and whatnot

1206
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:48,020
so it's not really work per se but um

1207
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,280
I guess well the biggest expression I

1208
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,859
get is just making a cursory scan of

1209
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,960
other groups on Facebook and you come

1210
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,359
across so much nonsense

1211
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,040
so much

1212
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:01,440
content this is not true

1213
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,569
um it's like it's like I'm one and I'm

1214
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:10,079
talking about myself and I wouldn't put

1215
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,700
myself in that position or label myself

1216
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:13,680
as such but it's like I'm a little voice

1217
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:15,060
of reason

1218
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:17,339
covered up by this vast cloud of

1219
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,740
misinformation

1220
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:21,599
um we're not going to fight against fake

1221
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,359
news then where we at we have to keep

1222
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:26,520
things valid and embrace what's valid

1223
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,579
and accurate and ground in reality and

1224
00:46:34,430 --> 00:46:31,920
not just believe things that aren't true

1225
00:46:35,329 --> 00:46:34,440
but that's not the case of your mobile a

1226
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,339
lot of things are believed that are

1227
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,740
simply not true and that again hurt to

1228
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:38,880
feel

1229
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,640
you know it took you a long time to

1230
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,099
get into that mode myself and you're

1231
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,319
like yeah every now and again I'll you

1232
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:48,660
know shades of the old

1233
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:52,380
zuger will come out uh usually just for

1234
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,180
fun it's like I got five minutes to kill

1235
00:46:59,690 --> 00:46:56,700
you know it's like oh but we got these

1236
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,700
photos of uh you know this this cave on

1237
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:01,140
Mars and there's like this alien

1238
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:02,700
creature in the background it's like it

1239
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,619
could be pixelation and I'm like oh they

1240
00:47:08,510 --> 00:47:06,900
found like I zoomed in on the image this

1241
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:08,520
is what I found and it's like those you

1242
00:47:16,130 --> 00:47:13,730
and which is great for you know people

1243
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,140
not to be able to say your our age and

1244
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:18,540
your age who will remember Sesame Street

1245
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,940
and what have you sure and it gets a

1246
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:22,079
couple of laughs and I'm like you know

1247
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,220
I'll move on uh you know whereas

1248
00:47:31,329 --> 00:47:28,319
five years ago I'd be I'd be out

1249
00:47:35,410 --> 00:47:31,339
searching for the fight and well yeah

1250
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:35,420
you know keyboard Warrior warrioring

1251
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,520
yeah whatever we'll go with that and you

1252
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:40,319
know uh actively and trying to be able

1253
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,760
to antagonize people and troll people

1254
00:47:46,609 --> 00:47:43,740
and you know Lee will

1255
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,619
Lee and Chad is just like yes Chris I've

1256
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,540
seen it I've done it we've had good

1257
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:50,640
times with it I'm like yeah

1258
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:51,900
um and it's you know there's a certain

1259
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:54,119
point in time where you're like

1260
00:47:56,809 --> 00:47:55,500
it doesn't really matter like you you

1261
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:56,819
want to believe the moon's made of

1262
00:48:02,930 --> 00:47:59,880
cheese like sure you know like I'm good

1263
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:02,940
over here uh and I'm I'm starting I'm

1264
00:48:09,410 --> 00:48:05,160
starting to see where you'll at some

1265
00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:09,420
point there was kind of a switch with a

1266
00:48:11,690 --> 00:48:10,380
lot of people where they're just like

1267
00:48:15,050 --> 00:48:11,700
I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing

1268
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:15,060
and let my work stand on its own and if

1269
00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:17,099
people want to like it great you know I

1270
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,359
don't have the energy for anything else

1271
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,520
and I'm not going to worry about it and

1272
00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:22,319
you're one of the people who seems to be

1273
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:23,819
doing more of that

1274
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:26,220
which is awesome because it's super

1275
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:29,640
positive not just from a a research

1276
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:33,260
standpoint but also it shows a level of

1277
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:37,200
maturity that is much lacking again this

1278
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:38,280
is used so of course you have the

1279
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,099
maturity uh that's lacking sorely in

1280
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:43,680
society in general and it's just like

1281
00:48:49,370 --> 00:48:45,300
super positive from a mental health

1282
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,380
standpoint you know like if you you if

1283
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,000
you're not so much worried about what

1284
00:48:56,510 --> 00:48:54,420
other people are saying or or doing and

1285
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:56,520
and you know what's the next comment or

1286
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:57,720
what's the next response going to come

1287
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:59,640
in or you know what's so and so in this

1288
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:01,859
blah in in this Facebook group thinking

1289
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:04,260
or saying you're you're a lot more in

1290
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,460
tune to be able to focus on your own

1291
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,440
work and your own writing and and what

1292
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,119
you do and you tend to become more

1293
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:11,880
happier with what you uh uh with what

1294
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,280
you accomplish and you know that that

1295
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,160
produces a feedback loop of just

1296
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,480
positivity versus just constantly

1297
00:49:22,430 --> 00:49:20,099
negativity of you tearing somebody else

1298
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:22,440
down and you know and don't get me wrong

1299
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,300
it's fun to be able to to sit on on the

1300
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,040
occasional person who's we all know is

1301
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,440
out to lunch or just I'm talking about

1302
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,560
you know and sure we're we're shooting

1303
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:33,119
the [\h__\h] back and forth I'm like ah this

1304
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,180
person's J you know this person so and

1305
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:38,160
so and that that's just people talking

1306
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,520
crap but if you're you as an individual

1307
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:43,440
are just focusing on what you're doing

1308
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,000
and what you're creating and the content

1309
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:47,280
that you're putting out there and not

1310
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:50,040
worrying about what the the competition

1311
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:54,240
is doing uh you are more focused on

1312
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:56,040
building up something and you know in

1313
00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:58,859
yourself which helps you sustain

1314
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,740
yourself through tough times and and be

1315
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:03,839
able to enjoy the good times a lot

1316
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:06,540
better uh at least that's that's kind of

1317
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:09,200
my perspective what I've found on it and

1318
00:50:13,309 --> 00:50:11,819
for somebody like yourself who spent a

1319
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,319
lifetime

1320
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,740
um not just to teaching somebody a skill

1321
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:18,839
or teaching somebody the rules of a

1322
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:21,420
sport but how to be able to perform how

1323
00:50:26,450 --> 00:50:24,780
to be able to uh you know move their

1324
00:50:28,490 --> 00:50:26,460
body in a certain way to to try and

1325
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:28,500
attain greatness or trying and Achieve

1326
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:30,680
something or you know to win something

1327
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:33,480
uh you know that that to me like it

1328
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,740
there's a certain something that you

1329
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:36,180
need to have to be able to do that not

1330
00:50:40,609 --> 00:50:37,740
just for yourself but to be able to to

1331
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,619
instill that in somebody else

1332
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,140
yeah it can be immediately challenging

1333
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,660
because part of the process is to uh try

1334
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,420
to prove a coaching standpoint

1335
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:50,579
uh every individual is different how

1336
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,119
they process what I vocalize to them

1337
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,160
it was different some individuals like

1338
00:51:00,410 --> 00:50:58,559
b2ts of a slice forehand slice backhand

1339
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:00,420
kick serve whatever the stroke may be

1340
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:02,040
and

1341
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,020
I wanted to curse my players look if if

1342
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,300
you're not progressing in a positive way

1343
00:51:09,710 --> 00:51:08,460
with my efforts go to another coach

1344
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,720
they'll probably tell you to send it but

1345
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:11,700
their book Lies in a different way so

1346
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,140
that individual can process that

1347
00:51:17,870 --> 00:51:15,839
information in their own way and then

1348
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,880
report and improve themselves as a

1349
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,619
player and they think it's that

1350
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,079
communication effort that is important I

1351
00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:24,599
learned then you could appeal that

1352
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:27,960
how we communicate is

1353
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:30,839
pretty important because we're trying to

1354
00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,180
convey our thoughts and opinions and at

1355
00:51:36,589 --> 00:51:35,400
times we're trying to convey important

1356
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:36,599
information

1357
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,099
and if we're not able to use the English

1358
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:40,079
language correctly or productively then

1359
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,180
it makes it very hard to convert to

1360
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,640
convey thoughts and opinions

1361
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:46,500
um I've interacted with some people

1362
00:51:53,329 --> 00:51:50,520
online in a in a very not internet not

1363
00:51:55,370 --> 00:51:53,339
kind of in-depth way but an individual

1364
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:55,380
posted I recall

1365
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:58,380
a picture she literally took over her

1366
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:00,900
house it turned to be lens Blair but

1367
00:52:04,309 --> 00:52:03,059
she's always yupo and I guess by

1368
00:52:06,109 --> 00:52:04,319
definition it was because she didn't

1369
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,119
know what it was it was unidentified

1370
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,160
she went down the Extraterrestrial angle

1371
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:10,079
she was immediately kind of going toward

1372
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,140
the alien angle and I asked her on

1373
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:15,240
Facebook I said what information do you

1374
00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:16,740
have that supports the idea of this

1375
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:18,660
would be alien you've already made up

1376
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:19,980
your mind about that

1377
00:52:24,829 --> 00:52:22,500
and she said why just know

1378
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,839
and I said and I responded to her

1379
00:52:29,690 --> 00:52:27,119
basically saying I respect your opinion

1380
00:52:31,309 --> 00:52:29,700
how do you know I I want to know she

1381
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,319
merely got upset with me asking that

1382
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:33,480
question I wasn't trying to troll her I

1383
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:35,640
really wanted to know I wanted how did

1384
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:38,880
we learn by asking questions period I

1385
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:40,200
was asking questions about alleged

1386
00:52:43,849 --> 00:52:42,119
witness to find out what she saw what

1387
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,859
she witnessed she was not comfortable

1388
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:47,040
conveying the information and not to

1389
00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:48,420
mention the way she spelled on Facebook

1390
00:52:51,290 --> 00:52:50,099
I couldn't understand what she was

1391
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:51,300
trying to convey because she couldn't

1392
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:53,400
spell she was capitalizing words in the

1393
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,660
middle of a sentence

1394
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,940
usually the wrong word misspelled but I

1395
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,460
can't I can't understand what a person

1396
00:53:03,290 --> 00:53:01,200
is trying to convey to me as an

1397
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:03,300
individual they can't use the language

1398
00:53:07,309 --> 00:53:04,740
correctly

1399
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,319
happens all the time on social media

1400
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,400
um

1401
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,859
and and by extension Society people

1402
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,480
can't spell words they misidentify

1403
00:53:16,910 --> 00:53:14,579
things they they use wrong punctuation

1404
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,920
they use real words that don't mean what

1405
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:18,559
they're trying to convey that is

1406
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:21,540
problematic to say the least

1407
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,440
um

1408
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,660
Venus and I discusses about you opposed

1409
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,280
we'll be we'll be sitting watching TV

1410
00:53:31,250 --> 00:53:28,740
having dinner we'll see Miss felons on

1411
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,260
National media Outlets I mean these are

1412
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:33,300
journalists they're journalists but they

1413
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,440
don't have a QC Department because

1414
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:42,230
yeah so uh yeah it's it's um it can be

1415
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:46,260
very Troublesome however despite that

1416
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:47,220
um

1417
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,780
frequently I'll come across the person

1418
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,640
who's very articulate

1419
00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:52,920
very eloquent very well thought of and

1420
00:53:57,049 --> 00:53:55,319
they don't have to have a PhD but

1421
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:57,059
they're measured and they're able to

1422
00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:58,859
convey their thoughts correctly and

1423
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,119
thoroughly

1424
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:02,160
in a straightforward way I had no

1425
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,260
trouble communicate with them they're

1426
00:54:07,690 --> 00:54:06,720
not as rare as you would think

1427
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:07,700
um

1428
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,280
but I find on social media

1429
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:13,619
the ability to convey to communicate

1430
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:16,319
productively is lost on some people and

1431
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:17,460
that makes it difficult to find out

1432
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,020
what's going on

1433
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,640
um

1434
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:22,800
uh it just that's just the way is that I

1435
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,180
don't know why that's happening but it's

1436
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,920
happening not just the local people but

1437
00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,720
in society in general that's what's

1438
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:30,300
happening well people tend to uh

1439
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,440
interpret what they want to be able to

1440
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,119
interpret from a text

1441
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,160
it's it's easier for somebody to be able

1442
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,800
to interpret something direct like you

1443
00:54:41,210 --> 00:54:39,720
know if they're telling you to to fly

1444
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,220
off the

1445
00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,720
you're going to know pretty well flat

1446
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:44,339
out what that means

1447
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,460
um but a lot of yeah you're dealing with

1448
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:49,920
cultural differences between just even

1449
00:54:55,609 --> 00:54:52,980
different regions within North America

1450
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:55,619
um you know you're dealing with uh

1451
00:55:01,450 --> 00:54:58,800
different levels of subtext within uh

1452
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:01,460
communication the English language which

1453
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:04,440
you know subtlety can can mean one thing

1454
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:08,940
in New York or you know what's the

1455
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:11,280
saying uh I'm gonna I'll attribute it

1456
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,339
back to people on the East Coast are

1457
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,500
kind but not nice but people on the west

1458
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,839
coast are nice but not kind

1459
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:20,160
I don't know how that works like more

1460
00:55:25,370 --> 00:55:21,900
you know in Texas but it's you know if

1461
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,380
you're on the east coast and somebody

1462
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:27,599
um you know if your tire breaks down

1463
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:29,220
you don't have a spare or something or

1464
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,780
if you don't know how to use a jack

1465
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:32,460
someone's going to stop and help you

1466
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:33,480
change your tire and they're just going

1467
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:34,859
to curse at you the entire time saying

1468
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,940
like oh man like what do you mean you

1469
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:37,920
can't use this what kind of you know

1470
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:39,180
idiot doesn't want to change the tire

1471
00:55:42,349 --> 00:55:40,319
type of thing and then they'll help you

1472
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:42,359
and get you on your way whereas on the

1473
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,040
west coast they'll you know they'll stop

1474
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,680
and say wow man I'm really sorry that

1475
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:48,480
happened to you but you know like man

1476
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:49,980
that really sucks and they'll just be on

1477
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,020
their way and leave you

1478
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,480
um you know that that kind of like just

1479
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:55,920
that kind of cultural difference in

1480
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,099
mindset can can mean can make somebody

1481
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:01,380
reading a sentence or somebody reading a

1482
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,720
situation uh interpret that's it that

1483
00:56:07,329 --> 00:56:05,460
sentence even if it's you know if it's

1484
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:07,339
not direct if it's not

1485
00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:10,380
explicit uh explicitly accepted as

1486
00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:11,400
something

1487
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,859
throughout you know throughout Society

1488
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:16,020
they're going to read it differently uh

1489
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,579
and and some people are just more prone

1490
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,200
to just flying off the handle and

1491
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:21,540
because you don't see the person it's

1492
00:56:24,650 --> 00:56:22,980
one of the reasons I like podcasts and

1493
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,660
like you and I can go more in depth on

1494
00:56:28,790 --> 00:56:26,880
uh more you know the philosophy of

1495
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,800
something and me just me just rambling

1496
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:31,260
on uh 15 you know the top 15 questions

1497
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,619
to ask William Bolin about UFOs yeah we

1498
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:36,000
can get in depth about things we can

1499
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,619
actually and we're talking relatively

1500
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:39,900
face to face and there's something

1501
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,960
personal about that versus oh here's

1502
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:44,640
this profile picture where someone's you

1503
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:48,359
know in a you know in a white tea with

1504
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:49,740
like a hat backwards and they're like

1505
00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:52,260
you know doing some signs or you know

1506
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:53,819
somebody's just you know the 15th person

1507
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:56,040
holding a fish by a lake you you have a

1508
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,420
preconceived notion of who that person

1509
00:57:02,089 --> 00:56:59,760
is what they're about what their values

1510
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:02,099
are and that immediately will put your

1511
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,859
own your own guards up towards how

1512
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:06,180
you're going to react to that person how

1513
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,940
you're going to uh think that person you

1514
00:57:13,250 --> 00:57:10,680
you've already judged that person before

1515
00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:13,260
you've even even uh yeah you've gone to

1516
00:57:19,150 --> 00:57:17,160
know them and like that that itself is

1517
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:19,160
broken down Communication online

1518
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:23,160
drastically and I I will be uh one of

1519
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,720
the first people to admit hey man I was

1520
00:57:28,990 --> 00:57:27,359
there been there done that uh went down

1521
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,000
that rabbit hole and and

1522
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:31,680
you know it's very difficult to be able

1523
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:35,040
to solve realize and and self-reflect to

1524
00:57:38,410 --> 00:57:36,300
try and pull yourself back from that

1525
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,420
because if if you're like that online

1526
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:40,500
what do you like it on the rest of

1527
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:41,760
society

1528
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,800
that's a that's a valid question yes

1529
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,119
absolutely

1530
00:57:48,609 --> 00:57:47,160
um you have all this line that I think I

1531
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:48,619
wrote a Blog last year about

1532
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,920
communication skills how if you're

1533
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,380
let's take the UFO topic of all topics

1534
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:56,400
to bring up

1535
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,940
um if you discuss the UFO topic the vast

1536
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:01,500
majority of information we have is that

1537
00:58:06,170 --> 00:58:04,380
adult with its testimonies

1538
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,180
if we're unable to convey those

1539
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:08,400
testimonials and communicate them to

1540
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:09,900
investigators thoroughly and accurately

1541
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,460
what do we have

1542
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,460
we can't give out a date a name an

1543
00:58:19,089 --> 00:58:17,040
address a geographical location and have

1544
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:19,099
those spelled correctly and accurately

1545
00:58:23,690 --> 00:58:21,740
then we're committing potentially

1546
00:58:25,970 --> 00:58:23,700
inaccurate data which makes an

1547
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:25,980
investigation a moot point

1548
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:28,800
or an entire blog about the the this

1549
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:31,740
necessity for accurate conveyance of

1550
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,839
information accurate communication

1551
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:35,040
skills

1552
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,420
and I've got several colors of

1553
00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:37,980
individuals saying why is it so

1554
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,059
important for me to convey my

1555
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,520
testimonials accurately really

1556
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:43,680
that's a question why

1557
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,680
it's important it's you know I can't

1558
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:49,200
imagine somebody who has been victim of

1559
00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,520
a rape or or a or a robbery or not and

1560
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:55,980
the investigative uh police officers

1561
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:58,980
weren't really you know uh worried about

1562
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,160
getting accurate information no you want

1563
00:59:05,450 --> 00:59:04,200
accurate information and yet people were

1564
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:05,460
very comfortable

1565
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,619
just give her their stories out

1566
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:10,619
in a very haphazard way I was very

1567
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,920
troubled by that we would we um

1568
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,660
whether you're in high school secondary

1569
00:59:19,609 --> 00:59:17,520
school college graduate school what have

1570
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:19,619
you you're trying to learn accurate

1571
00:59:22,250 --> 00:59:21,359
information you're trying to educate

1572
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:22,260
yourself

1573
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:23,940
or your professors are trying to educate

1574
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:27,540
you using accurate information

1575
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:28,799
you're not trying to learn things that

1576
00:59:31,309 --> 00:59:29,819
aren't true

1577
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,319
you're not trying to learn dates and

1578
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:34,319
times in scenarios that are inaccurately

1579
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:35,579
portrayed you're not you're trying to

1580
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,740
learn things as they are the truth the

1581
00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:39,839
objective truth and the demands of

1582
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:42,299
accuracy but in this

1583
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:44,460
as it pertains to UFOs nowadays people

1584
00:59:49,010 --> 00:59:47,160
are very comfortable just rambling on

1585
00:59:51,230 --> 00:59:49,020
about what they saw what they claim to

1586
00:59:54,109 --> 00:59:51,240
solve and not providing any details and

1587
00:59:56,510 --> 00:59:54,119
when they do it's done inaccurately

1588
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,520
which makes it impossible to investigate

1589
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,559
well because most of these experiences

1590
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,880
for these people but like for anybody

1591
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:01,920
who's an experiencer and I can tell you

1592
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,020
right now it is a it is a potentially

1593
01:00:08,270 --> 01:00:06,780
traumatic experience there is a lot of

1594
01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:08,280
you know there's fear there's confusion

1595
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,940
there are you know you're there's

1596
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,160
adrenaline you're not necessarily trying

1597
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,920
to process the facts as as much as the

1598
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,720
emotion so people will remember the

1599
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,160
emotion of the situation before they

1600
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:22,680
remember the facts uh you know I could

1601
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,640
tell you

1602
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:26,220
at least from from from my you know ball

1603
01:00:30,049 --> 01:00:27,960
lightning situation

1604
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,059
like I could tell you

1605
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,640
um the general situation I could tell

1606
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:34,319
you how it ended but most of all I could

1607
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,700
tell you about the fear I could tell you

1608
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:38,040
about the you know the pit in my stomach

1609
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:40,859
of oh what the heck is that and just the

1610
01:00:44,450 --> 01:00:42,480
dread and the sweat and the the

1611
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,460
inability to be able to sleep afterwards

1612
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:46,380
I could tell you the specific day

1613
01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:48,660
anymore I couldn't tell you the year I

1614
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:50,099
could probably guess about the time of

1615
01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:51,359
night

1616
01:00:55,730 --> 01:00:52,920
um you know I could maybe guess the

1617
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:55,740
color but you know any of the specifics

1618
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:59,040
those are gone you know so you you try

1619
01:01:03,230 --> 01:01:00,839
and ask anybody who's had this kind of

1620
01:01:05,809 --> 01:01:03,240
you know this type of situation

1621
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:05,819
and again plain Devil's Advocate it's

1622
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,380
very difficult to be able to try and

1623
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:09,599
convey that even for people who are

1624
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:11,220
expert communicators

1625
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:12,299
yeah

1626
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,069
um

1627
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:20,880
some interactions with some other people

1628
01:01:27,370 --> 01:01:23,760
without researchers or researchers but

1629
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:29,870
they clearly wore the name of my point

1630
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:32,280
of view about how this topic is

1631
01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:34,280
deserving of a serious look

1632
01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:37,319
and they I get questions like why is

1633
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:38,819
that so necessary

1634
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:40,380
I said because people are seeing things

1635
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:42,359
and experience things they can't

1636
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,440
identify

1637
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,319
it's traumatic the experience is they're

1638
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,000
left with a

1639
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:50,160
a pit in their stomach traumatized

1640
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:52,260
feeling that what just happened to me

1641
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:54,299
they have no idea what happened they're

1642
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:56,099
traumatized they're mostly scarred about

1643
01:02:00,770 --> 01:01:58,619
this that means they're deserving of

1644
01:02:03,770 --> 01:02:00,780
some investigation if they want that

1645
01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,780
that does not deserve a tongue-in-cheek

1646
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:06,119
celebrity driven approach to the topic

1647
01:02:11,030 --> 01:02:09,180
true does it disturbish the witnesses

1648
01:02:13,130 --> 01:02:11,040
um but people don't really realize that

1649
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,140
I mean I can't imagine

1650
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,599
uh a young woman who sexually molested

1651
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:17,760
or a gentleman who is mugged on the

1652
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,920
streets in New York City and then the

1653
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:21,299
police arrived to do an investigation

1654
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,040
They're laughing and joking and doing it

1655
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:24,960
less than a serious way we wouldn't

1656
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,109
you'll get that sometimes in the

1657
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:31,920
investigative field as well depending on

1658
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,339
the Aryan and the situation it you you

1659
01:02:39,049 --> 01:02:36,960
never really know what you're gonna get

1660
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:39,059
from from anybody

1661
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,440
um but especially from the UFO field

1662
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:43,260
it's it's because that sells emotion

1663
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:45,960
cells the information doesn't sell the

1664
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:47,040
the

1665
01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:50,819
guest clicks that's what that's what

1666
01:02:55,789 --> 01:02:53,240
sells ads that's what gets subscriptions

1667
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,799
but the overall information like that

1668
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,839
was one of the things where you know

1669
01:03:02,809 --> 01:03:00,540
looking at this podcast like yeah

1670
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:02,819
we could and we've we've always been

1671
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,200
information but it's always been

1672
01:03:06,770 --> 01:03:05,520
entertainment to a certain extent of

1673
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:06,780
trying to be able to Jazz up the

1674
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,640
information and make it seem cool and

1675
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:11,359
make it seem fun it's got to be fun

1676
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,619
emotion is fun

1677
01:03:18,349 --> 01:03:16,380
facts and data is School

1678
01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:18,359
people generally shut off when it comes

1679
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:21,299
to that unless you're you know ADHD like

1680
01:03:24,829 --> 01:03:23,400
myself where it's just like you know you

1681
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:24,839
see a scene in something and then all of

1682
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,099
a sudden you're on Wikipedia for four

1683
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,319
hours becoming an expert in it you know

1684
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:29,520
that's

1685
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:32,640
it it but it from from a an apples to

1686
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:34,680
oranges yeah man it's always about the

1687
01:03:37,370 --> 01:03:35,579
story

1688
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:37,380
yeah like that that's that's a fact it's

1689
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,579
been like that for thousands of years

1690
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:41,099
with humans we've sat around fires you

1691
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:45,599
know uh passing down a spoken word from

1692
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,980
you know from generation to generation

1693
01:03:50,809 --> 01:03:48,960
since time immemorial

1694
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:50,819
um when it comes to survival that's

1695
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,440
where the facts come in that's the facts

1696
01:03:55,130 --> 01:03:54,000
come in handy but nobody wants to learn

1697
01:03:56,089 --> 01:03:55,140
them

1698
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:56,099
yeah

1699
01:04:03,170 --> 01:03:59,819
no that's right I mean I recall um

1700
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:03,180
listen to Kevin Randall my friend on a

1701
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:05,160
podcast discussing

1702
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:08,339
the UFO industry celebrity what have you

1703
01:04:13,789 --> 01:04:11,040
and that he remarked that a show bug you

1704
01:04:15,049 --> 01:04:13,799
opposed has to be about the stories yeah

1705
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:15,059
not to that

1706
01:04:17,930 --> 01:04:16,319
the show about the data would be

1707
01:04:19,250 --> 01:04:17,940
canceled after two episodes

1708
01:04:21,829 --> 01:04:19,260
he's right

1709
01:04:23,770 --> 01:04:21,839
you know the data does not sell the dad

1710
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:23,780
didn't get to clicks or likes or viewers

1711
01:04:28,849 --> 01:04:26,220
stories do because they're emotional

1712
01:04:30,770 --> 01:04:28,859
they're admittedly vague but they're

1713
01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:30,780
fascinating they're describing things

1714
01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:32,760
that are anomalous to potential

1715
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:34,200
extraterrestrial that's fascinating by

1716
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,960
itself discussing the statistical sheet

1717
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:39,599
of UFO signing for a decade is

1718
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:42,119
although that wouldn't make much good

1719
01:04:46,849 --> 01:04:44,700
viewership well no well because if if

1720
01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:46,859
people want that if people want facts

1721
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:48,599
they're going to watch the uh the public

1722
01:04:53,089 --> 01:04:50,400
access television that you know we'll

1723
01:04:55,250 --> 01:04:53,099
preview the local universities uh

1724
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:55,260
science lectures but when people are

1725
01:04:59,450 --> 01:04:57,180
watching TV if they're if they're tuning

1726
01:05:00,890 --> 01:04:59,460
into Ancient Aliens sure the

1727
01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:00,900
information's there but it's the story

1728
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:02,520
behind it that it that gets them

1729
01:05:07,250 --> 01:05:04,559
involved because it's Escape

1730
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:07,260
because most people they're dealing with

1731
01:05:10,849 --> 01:05:09,240
their nine-to-five job they're dealing

1732
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:10,859
with their hour and a half commute stuck

1733
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:13,020
in stop and go traffic their you know

1734
01:05:16,010 --> 01:05:14,880
their job that they don't like and

1735
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:16,020
they're going to want to come home and

1736
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:17,700
say like oh man eight o'clock let's get

1737
01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:19,380
dinner you know at the coffee table

1738
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:21,540
let's turn on the TV and let's watch you

1739
01:05:25,730 --> 01:05:23,940
know so and so because for that you know

1740
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,740
for that hour they're learning they're

1741
01:05:32,890 --> 01:05:28,020
hearing about somebody else's

1742
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:32,900
out of this world uh experience you know

1743
01:05:38,450 --> 01:05:36,180
not not to use a pun versus their own

1744
01:05:41,630 --> 01:05:38,460
mundane nine to five and it's it it's

1745
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:41,640
it's junk food for the brain yes but

1746
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:43,200
it's also somebody's ability to

1747
01:05:49,250 --> 01:05:46,200
decompress and it I'm saying that just

1748
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,260
from a factual I don't necessarily agree

1749
01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:50,640
with it

1750
01:05:57,289 --> 01:05:54,720
you know I it sucks that we as people

1751
01:05:58,190 --> 01:05:57,299
especially in in you know the 21st

1752
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:58,200
century

1753
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,540
go that route

1754
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:02,640
yeah but you know you've got people who

1755
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:03,780
want to make a buck they're going to

1756
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:05,640
capitalize on it what is what is

1757
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,500
something that's very exciting it's

1758
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,420
unknown which is you know it's danger

1759
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,720
it's risk it's it it's uh um you know

1760
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:14,160
trying to learn something that other

1761
01:06:18,410 --> 01:06:16,140
people don't know about so it hits all

1762
01:06:21,470 --> 01:06:18,420
the bells of oh man I'm gonna learn

1763
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:21,480
something really cool uh you know and

1764
01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:23,700
just secret and mysterious and I'm going

1765
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:24,839
to know something that a lot of other

1766
01:06:29,150 --> 01:06:27,420
people aren't gonna know and that's

1767
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,160
really that's really sexy to a lot of

1768
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,690
yeah

1769
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:39,049
Venus and I uh went to go see um

1770
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,920
months ago the latest Jurassic Park

1771
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,780
movie I can't recall the actual full

1772
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:45,299
name of it

1773
01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:48,020
yeah later or something I think yeah

1774
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,039
personally though late in the movie

1775
01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:52,799
every single species of animal in the

1776
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,660
movie is a dinosaur

1777
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:56,280
save one

1778
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:57,720
toward the end of the movie there the

1779
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:58,920
the main characters are trying to escape

1780
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:01,020
they're in this underground tunnel and

1781
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:02,640
they come across that species of

1782
01:07:07,970 --> 01:07:06,240
Dimetrodon which was a a mammal like

1783
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,980
reptile that appeared prior to the

1784
01:07:11,870 --> 01:07:09,839
dinosaurs

1785
01:07:14,809 --> 01:07:11,880
um and

1786
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,819
that animal has been mislabeled for

1787
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:17,039
decades as a dinosaur it isn't it's it's

1788
01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:18,599
a reptile but it's not a dinosaur it's

1789
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,460
not for that group so wrote A Blog about

1790
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:23,280
it and people just people liked that

1791
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,000
kind of they kind of uh write up about a

1792
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:29,520
something that's not UFO related but I

1793
01:07:34,309 --> 01:07:31,619
make a I make a point to write it in a

1794
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,319
way that's enjoyable to read if I I

1795
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,000
wrote it twice

1796
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:37,920
and didn't post it because it came off

1797
01:07:41,329 --> 01:07:39,539
as a lecture

1798
01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:41,339
as opposed to I wanted to write about a

1799
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:42,900
fascinating animal that lived millions

1800
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:45,000
of years ago there wasn't a dinosaur but

1801
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:47,460
was special is a way once I got it

1802
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:49,020
written the way I wanted to

1803
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:51,480
then I posted it so is that effort to

1804
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:54,059
convey information but in a way that's

1805
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:56,700
enjoyable and not coming off as a

1806
01:08:01,370 --> 01:08:00,000
uh you know a college uh lecture it

1807
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:01,380
becomes boring then you lose the

1808
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,500
attention of the readers and I'm very

1809
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:06,299
lucky that a lot of my readers are

1810
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:08,460
enamored with science they

1811
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:10,859
uh don't mind the non-paragraphs they

1812
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,140
they like the most stuff they like other

1813
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:16,080
topics that are you know no you are

1814
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,359
related and they like the banter they

1815
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:21,120
like to ask questions and some seem to

1816
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:22,319
like when I say you know I don't know

1817
01:08:25,729 --> 01:08:24,120
that that I've tons of time to do some

1818
01:08:27,890 --> 01:08:25,739
research I don't know about that topic

1819
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:27,900
you know uh I'm not very lucky that way

1820
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:29,699
and maybe maybe people have seen my blog

1821
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:31,980
and say this is a place where nonsense

1822
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:34,319
does not go on it's not tolerated my

1823
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:36,540
blog is all about accurate information

1824
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,179
exchange of ideas opinions the

1825
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:42,239
conversation critical thinking so it

1826
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:43,980
attracts those kind of individuals and

1827
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:46,140
I'm very lucky to have those readers you

1828
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:47,100
know

1829
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:48,540
um actually pay attention to what I'm

1830
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:50,100
writing so that's a good thing I guess

1831
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,259
well that was the entertaining part and

1832
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,239
I know from your blog and you know I

1833
01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:56,640
like to I'm not going to say apologize

1834
01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,940
but just at least there was that one

1835
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,440
person that I think I commented on and

1836
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:03,660
they said something along the lines of

1837
01:09:08,209 --> 01:09:05,699
uh because I'm known for my smart-ass

1838
01:09:10,970 --> 01:09:08,219
com my smart alec comments that's that's

1839
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,980
kind of my shtick and I I'm just also

1840
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:12,239
going to find it funny that through this

1841
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:14,040
podcast for anybody who watches it it's

1842
01:09:17,689 --> 01:09:15,960
like I've steadily just become more and

1843
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:17,699
more reclined as the time goes on it's

1844
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:18,960
like oh man it must be in the second

1845
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,380
hour Chris has got his feet up and man I

1846
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:23,520
haven't I'm not used to having a couch

1847
01:09:26,809 --> 01:09:25,859
on a podcast so this is this is new for

1848
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,819
me

1849
01:09:30,769 --> 01:09:28,080
um

1850
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:30,779
and you know they had said something

1851
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:32,819
and I'm like like well William Tell like

1852
01:09:37,309 --> 01:09:34,380
tell them who I am when you know the bad

1853
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:37,319
boy morphology and I'm like no that was

1854
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:38,819
probably not appropriate and it's like

1855
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:41,520
okay well but it's also kind of my brand

1856
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:45,060
to be that I'm not like jackass light as

1857
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,759
it were so you know but it's it's

1858
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:49,980
interesting to see that like yes you do

1859
01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:51,420
have people who are interested that is

1860
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,739
their entertainment whether it's not

1861
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:54,000
necessarily about

1862
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,699
the the story the story is you

1863
01:09:59,450 --> 01:09:58,440
presenting the information and their

1864
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,460
Entertainment Systems to be able to

1865
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,440
discuss with one another about what that

1866
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:03,719
information entails so they're getting

1867
01:10:06,830 --> 01:10:05,100
they're getting their enjoyment and

1868
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,840
their escape out of that which is a very

1869
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,760
Niche audience

1870
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:10,920
um you know look you're you're in you're

1871
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:13,140
you're in influence or territory as as

1872
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:18,950
that that blogger wrote about the

1873
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:21,120
dimetrodon well the comments I got from

1874
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:22,860
one of my readers was

1875
01:10:26,930 --> 01:10:25,560
um uh great rodent William I didn't know

1876
01:10:28,430 --> 01:10:26,940
about this animal thanks for the

1877
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:28,440
information

1878
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,060
they just blur something new you know

1879
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:32,280
and invariably these are all topics I

1880
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,780
write about that I'm learning about too

1881
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:36,480
and if I write a blog about the extinct

1882
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,520
animal or you opposed signing or what

1883
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,679
have you God don't take my research and

1884
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,719
do some more in-depth reading and

1885
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:45,179
searching for information

1886
01:10:49,130 --> 01:10:46,860
because I don't know everything I don't

1887
01:10:50,930 --> 01:10:49,140
I'm I'm a pretty good in person I want

1888
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:50,940
to find out about things I don't know

1889
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,880
about them and so that effort to find

1890
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:55,199
out more information about something I'm

1891
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:57,060
fascinated by and then convey that into

1892
01:11:02,930 --> 01:10:59,460
a Blog I like that effort I like that

1893
01:11:05,630 --> 01:11:02,940
because it it the effort to try to

1894
01:11:07,910 --> 01:11:05,640
frame the data in a way that's enjoyable

1895
01:11:09,649 --> 01:11:07,920
to read as opposed to just

1896
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,659
something boring

1897
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:12,960
um and then the search search the

1898
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:15,480
wonderful tool Google to find images of

1899
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,800
the animal or individuals that that are

1900
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:22,080
um part of your vocation we're not that

1901
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:25,080
whole process is enjoyable and whether

1902
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:27,900
it's photographs images or the actual

1903
01:11:31,370 --> 01:11:29,940
blog most of that stuff I actually

1904
01:11:33,169 --> 01:11:31,380
delete and don't post at all because I

1905
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,179
end up rewriting it and reframing it so

1906
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:35,280
yeah how do you come up with the idea

1907
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:37,020
does it just like hit you because you

1908
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:39,179
see something more you know you read

1909
01:11:41,810 --> 01:11:40,620
about something or see something on TV

1910
01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:41,820
and you're like oh I should write about

1911
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:44,520
that or do you do you plan out your your

1912
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:49,850
it really does

1913
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:52,860
it's possible but no I I I try to stay

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01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,020
more focused on you opposed but in

1915
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:56,640
recent months I've been kind of

1916
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:57,900
exploring

1917
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,600
Island biogeography extinct animals that

1918
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:02,960
we've made extinct through our own

1919
01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:05,400
efforts humans

1920
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,820
um and astronomy the thing is that that

1921
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,620
uh that have been fascinating to me

1922
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:12,239
since I was a kid

1923
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:13,199
um

1924
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:14,940
and but it really is Pops in my head

1925
01:12:19,790 --> 01:12:18,179
whether it's the great awk or or I write

1926
01:12:21,470 --> 01:12:19,800
a blog about a moon that might have

1927
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:21,480
liquid water under service or what have

1928
01:12:24,169 --> 01:12:22,380
you

1929
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:24,179
I've always been a fan of Science and

1930
01:12:29,149 --> 01:12:27,300
Math so those ideas just pop in my head

1931
01:12:30,649 --> 01:12:29,159
um there was one day I was out giving a

1932
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:30,659
few lessons in the morning got back home

1933
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:32,100
and

1934
01:12:36,890 --> 01:12:34,020
it was one day where the moon was out

1935
01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:36,900
during daylight hours and

1936
01:12:40,130 --> 01:12:38,760
um I looked up and I for some reason

1937
01:12:41,689 --> 01:12:40,140
popped in my head I thought you know

1938
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,699
what I wonder what that move would look

1939
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,920
like on the surface of Saturn

1940
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:45,840
but it obviously is darker there than

1941
01:12:48,830 --> 01:12:47,940
also sorry Saturn is much further than

1942
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,840
the Sun

1943
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,120
but this idea so I'll write a blog about

1944
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,980
that is a little more research and

1945
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:54,480
things I already knew

1946
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,280
to some degree about but just a little

1947
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:58,080
more information and brought it up and

1948
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,460
it came out pretty good I posted people

1949
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:01,320
liked it so but you're right I have my

1950
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:03,540
my readers are there's a certain kind of

1951
01:13:09,649 --> 01:13:07,739
person that likes what I'm doing

1952
01:13:12,830 --> 01:13:09,659
um just conveying data in a way that's

1953
01:13:14,689 --> 01:13:12,840
enjoyable to read yeah it's a niche of

1954
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,699
readers that like that

1955
01:13:17,630 --> 01:13:16,560
um I don't know if I'm I don't know if

1956
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,640
that's the norm

1957
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:19,140
but it seems like the majority of my

1958
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,460
readers really like that kind of stuff

1959
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:22,320
and then ask questions and exchange

1960
01:13:26,030 --> 01:13:24,600
ideas with each other not just me per se

1961
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:26,040
but with each other and I like that

1962
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:27,780
because I get to read their comments and

1963
01:13:31,390 --> 01:13:29,520
see how this guy's using his brain this

1964
01:13:34,189 --> 01:13:31,400
guy's thinking and then oftentimes

1965
01:13:36,410 --> 01:13:34,199
individuals will comment with each other

1966
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:36,420
back and forth and it'll give me an idea

1967
01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:38,640
about another blog or I'll or I'll jump

1968
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,620
into making comment like you know what

1969
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,199
have you I like that that

1970
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:45,840
um level of interaction so you know it's

1971
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,400
really enjoyable I'm starting to think

1972
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:50,480
that people think that I might hate you

1973
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:54,120
no now I'm just like I post like one

1974
01:13:58,250 --> 01:13:56,580
word and I every single time I post in

1975
01:14:01,310 --> 01:13:58,260
your blog it's just because like you and

1976
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,320
I like I will read your posts you and I

1977
01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:03,420
will talk back and forth on Facebook so

1978
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:05,940
for me the uh and my Facebook is

1979
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:08,520
essentially now basically my friends so

1980
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:10,440
you know you're you're on my feed

1981
01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:13,260
constantly because of that now and I'm

1982
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,699
like okay I look at it from like just

1983
01:14:18,169 --> 01:14:16,320
the microcosm of your posting and I'm

1984
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,179
commenting on it not necessarily

1985
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:20,400
realizing oh my God he's got like 8 000

1986
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:22,260
people who read this thing on a constant

1987
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,940
basis so there's probably a lot of

1988
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:25,440
people out there who are going like man

1989
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,540
this this Chris guy thinks that you know

1990
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:29,820
it must be real dick he's so mean to

1991
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,820
William all the time like I'm like no

1992
01:14:36,770 --> 01:14:34,080
I'm just

1993
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:36,780
no we're just it's just two guys just

1994
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:40,560
you know busting each other's balls in a

1995
01:14:46,189 --> 01:14:44,520
friendly way so that to me is

1996
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,199
like that kind of self-awareness is like

1997
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:49,080
oh my God uh kind of embarrassing and

1998
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:51,540
it's also kind of funny too like from A

1999
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:52,920
Very Metal level

2000
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,260
and I I look at you know other people

2001
01:15:00,010 --> 01:14:57,120
who are like they they search for that

2002
01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:00,020
that that connection that community that

2003
01:15:05,090 --> 01:15:03,900
long-standing uh um uh interaction and

2004
01:15:06,649 --> 01:15:05,100
it's part of their day it's part of

2005
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,659
their community and I just you know in

2006
01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:08,159
people like myself will just come in and

2007
01:15:12,770 --> 01:15:10,199
just [\h__\h] all over it and make a mockery

2008
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:12,780
of it not knowing that that's what

2009
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:15,480
they're looking for yeah so you know

2010
01:15:19,970 --> 01:15:17,940
that's kind of part of the uh um

2011
01:15:22,330 --> 01:15:19,980
that's part and parcel the learn some

2012
01:15:25,070 --> 01:15:22,340
cool [\h__\h] some sometimes about yourself

2013
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:25,080
uh and

2014
01:15:28,669 --> 01:15:27,239
when you

2015
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:28,679
it's it's

2016
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,420
empowering to know that you have people

2017
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:32,159
out there that do look for that and and

2018
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:34,739
yeah it shows a certain hype not high

2019
01:15:39,410 --> 01:15:37,860
brownness or elitism but yeah like

2020
01:15:41,450 --> 01:15:39,420
you've got people who are going to just

2021
01:15:42,649 --> 01:15:41,460
discuss a topic back and forth because

2022
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,659
they're interested in it and because

2023
01:15:46,189 --> 01:15:44,880
they like the person you know they want

2024
01:15:48,890 --> 01:15:46,199
to support you they want to support the

2025
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:48,900
ideas they want to support the page and

2026
01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:50,280
and they like what you're putting out

2027
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:51,719
and they believe in what you're doing

2028
01:15:55,970 --> 01:15:53,880
they believe in the brand

2029
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:55,980
so they're going to they're going to

2030
01:16:00,350 --> 01:15:57,480
interact they're going to like the page

2031
01:16:01,610 --> 01:16:00,360
and they want to see you succeed

2032
01:16:04,910 --> 01:16:01,620
so

2033
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:04,920
you know if you getting enjoyment out of

2034
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:06,780
the discussion is as much as the

2035
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:07,920
enjoyment that they're getting out of

2036
01:16:10,790 --> 01:16:09,179
you posting it

2037
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,800
so

2038
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:13,199
how would you

2039
01:16:16,189 --> 01:16:14,820
think that they would reactive like

2040
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,199
let's say you don't post for a while

2041
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,239
like do you get to a point where if you

2042
01:16:21,709 --> 01:16:20,040
let's say are sick or you go on a trip

2043
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:21,719
or something that they will come back

2044
01:16:24,649 --> 01:16:23,460
and comment and say well man where's

2045
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:24,659
William you haven't you haven't done

2046
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,640
anything in like you know four days

2047
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:27,840
what's up

2048
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:30,659
I don't know that's interesting

2049
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,840
um I don't know it's the dynamic the

2050
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:35,280
dynamic is very interesting because my

2051
01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:37,560
personal account on Facebook

2052
01:16:40,610 --> 01:16:39,000
a number of people actually have my

2053
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:40,620
friends on Facebook is very short people

2054
01:16:44,450 --> 01:16:42,360
I've interacted with a lot good friends

2055
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,460
with a method of a person or not it's

2056
01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:46,739
very small my friends list on Facebook

2057
01:16:51,110 --> 01:16:50,100
is less than one 190 it's very small

2058
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:51,120
list

2059
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:54,480
and on my blog you've got almost 8 000

2060
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,760
readers and whatnot I really don't give

2061
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:58,800
them any glimpses into my personal life

2062
01:17:02,209 --> 01:16:59,880
per se

2063
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:02,219
emotional married they know I'm into

2064
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,960
science and math occasional makeup

2065
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:05,760
reference to something I did my personal

2066
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:08,280
life but generally not they're my

2067
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:09,600
readers are much more knowledgeable

2068
01:17:14,050 --> 01:17:12,420
about me as a thinker how I think or

2069
01:17:16,430 --> 01:17:14,060
don't think as occasion to be whatever

2070
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:16,440
they really don't know my personal life

2071
01:17:22,250 --> 01:17:19,500
at all uh so I get two different points

2072
01:17:24,050 --> 01:17:22,260
of view but if I didn't post for a

2073
01:17:25,310 --> 01:17:24,060
protracted to bring in a time I don't

2074
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,320
know what people would think I don't

2075
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:27,360
know because I'm so used to blogging at

2076
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,640
least once a day if not twice a day or

2077
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:31,679
sharing something I see on your page or

2078
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,440
drunk remotes page or post a video from

2079
01:17:39,410 --> 01:17:36,540
Kevin or whatever there's only something

2080
01:17:41,689 --> 01:17:39,420
I'm keeping it active

2081
01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:41,699
um and part of that is because I get so

2082
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,040
many comments and interactions if I

2083
01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:46,440
didn't I wouldn't feel so pressured I'm

2084
01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:48,360
not feeling pressure but I wouldn't feel

2085
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,940
so motivated to post all the time but I

2086
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:52,440
feel like with all these interactions I

2087
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:53,640
get so much conversation people

2088
01:17:56,330 --> 01:17:54,900
commenting

2089
01:17:57,890 --> 01:17:56,340
whether I agree with it or not the

2090
01:17:59,450 --> 01:17:57,900
interaction is important

2091
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,460
it feels like okay I'm not wasting my

2092
01:18:03,770 --> 01:18:01,199
time here people are interacting And

2093
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,780
discussing these topics openly okay I'll

2094
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,520
keep posting because I'm making them use

2095
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:06,480
their brain they're comfortable

2096
01:18:10,189 --> 01:18:08,340
discussing things on the Block knowing

2097
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:10,199
that it's a safe place or not we attack

2098
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,239
I'm not going to tolerate any kind of

2099
01:18:16,250 --> 01:18:13,679
out of balance Behavior but I do like

2100
01:18:19,370 --> 01:18:16,260
interactions and exchanges that's all

2101
01:18:20,770 --> 01:18:19,380
good I saw that so I'm saying I'm going

2102
01:18:23,770 --> 01:18:20,780
like man I'm

2103
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:23,780
I'm realizing how much you like me

2104
01:18:27,770 --> 01:18:25,920
oh I love you Chris with the under

2105
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:27,780
trouble I've caused and not necessarily

2106
01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:30,420
realized it so uh you know thank you

2107
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,460
that's awesome and at the same time to

2108
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:34,920
all of your listeners I'm sorry for

2109
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,140
anything even if it's like just you know

2110
01:18:42,110 --> 01:18:39,719
me just being me but I haven't been

2111
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,120
meaning for for many many years so I've

2112
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:45,120
I'm well sure but it that warms my heart

2113
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:47,699
at least and that's really really cool

2114
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:50,820
um now how have you kept your level head

2115
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,860
when you're dealing with these you know

2116
01:18:55,490 --> 01:18:54,000
like all you're talking about like all

2117
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:55,500
these interactions you've got all these

2118
01:18:59,870 --> 01:18:58,560
people and you know you you obviously

2119
01:19:01,850 --> 01:18:59,880
understand that you have a certain

2120
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,860
amount of influence within this within

2121
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,120
this community and you've built this uh

2122
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:05,520
this you know UFO information sharing

2123
01:19:08,330 --> 01:19:07,380
discussion community

2124
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:08,340
um

2125
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:11,280
like how how have like how do you look

2126
01:19:16,610 --> 01:19:14,280
at that knowing that you can

2127
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:16,620
grab so many eyes or grab so much

2128
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,800
attention uh like how have you kept your

2129
01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:21,600
level head to not let it go like okay

2130
01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:23,340
well now I'm going to monetize this and

2131
01:19:27,410 --> 01:19:24,900
you know I'm gonna start you know

2132
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,420
posting every third post as an ad or

2133
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:29,520
something like that

2134
01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:34,080
uh I mean but one or not I mean the list

2135
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:36,120
of programs I'll go along is pavely

2136
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,620
shorts

2137
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:39,920
uh yours

2138
01:19:46,430 --> 01:19:42,780
uh Everett themers program exception 13

2139
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,440
and then Jim allards uh the mounted

2140
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:48,420
report that's it shout out to the

2141
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:50,219
mallard report uh yeah I forget I

2142
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:52,140
believe it's live every Tuesday at 7 00

2143
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,540
PM Central I I forget sorry Jim Dem

2144
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,580
killing it's been a while Central yeah

2145
01:20:02,270 --> 01:19:58,560
okay so there you go

2146
01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:02,280
yeah and uh so I just don't go on shows

2147
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:04,980
that promote and embrace nonsensical

2148
01:20:10,130 --> 01:20:07,140
content I won't do that

2149
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:10,140
um I don't make any appears as

2150
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:12,540
accomplish the questions anymore uh

2151
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:15,179
Venus and I were burned late last year

2152
01:20:19,370 --> 01:20:16,620
in San Antonio

2153
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,380
uh we were pretty much in charge of

2154
01:20:23,450 --> 01:20:21,360
organizing a vegetable scheduling

2155
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:23,460
secrets and we got stabbed in the back

2156
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,080
so we're done

2157
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:28,080
um so all our International online what

2158
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:30,780
happened with that and sorry conference

2159
01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:34,500
uh yeah we uh uh before Venus and I met

2160
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:36,179
I was in charge of scheduling speakers

2161
01:20:41,270 --> 01:20:38,820
for the Wonderland UFO Festival here in

2162
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,280
San Antonio I've heard of that scheduled

2163
01:20:44,930 --> 01:20:43,679
I scheduled Venus to speak at this

2164
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:44,940
year's Festival

2165
01:20:50,030 --> 01:20:48,540
and was asked by the by the uh

2166
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:50,040
organization of the event to take her

2167
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:51,840
off

2168
01:20:58,189 --> 01:20:54,719
for personal reasons not professional

2169
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:58,199
reasons personal reasons and I said well

2170
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:00,179
what kind of personal

2171
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:03,920
like like are we talking like you know

2172
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:06,420
we all know that the UFO Community can

2173
01:21:10,010 --> 01:21:07,500
attract a certain type of people

2174
01:21:11,450 --> 01:21:10,020
depending on like or are we talking

2175
01:21:13,970 --> 01:21:11,460
they're just being me like we're talking

2176
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,980
like oh this person's you know like uh

2177
01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:16,080
you know girls can't be a part of this

2178
01:21:22,370 --> 01:21:19,640
club or which which is insane backwards

2179
01:21:25,130 --> 01:21:22,380
this person was a woman or is it woman

2180
01:21:26,750 --> 01:21:25,140
and

2181
01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:26,760
she was on my friends list on Facebook

2182
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:29,100
so she was aware of kill Venus and I our

2183
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:30,719
relationship or what have you as as

2184
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:31,980
we've gotten closer and closer together

2185
01:21:37,370 --> 01:21:35,340
will she use that information to

2186
01:21:39,229 --> 01:21:37,380
uh people who told me that this woman

2187
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:39,239
had a crush on me

2188
01:21:43,970 --> 01:21:41,040
she had feelings toward me when they

2189
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:43,980
were inappropriate and he based her

2190
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,380
Perpetual decision on personal

2191
01:21:49,310 --> 01:21:47,760
information

2192
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:49,320
that's no place

2193
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:52,260
no whatsoever you know and so Playing

2194
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:54,360
devil's advocate can can you can you

2195
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,920
look at it from the perspective and I'm

2196
01:21:59,390 --> 01:21:57,360
looking at it from like you know former

2197
01:22:00,410 --> 01:21:59,400
Rave promoter where we're like we're

2198
01:22:02,209 --> 01:22:00,420
going to throw a rave and book our

2199
01:22:05,050 --> 01:22:02,219
friends type of thing instead of like

2200
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:05,060
supporting the scene by booking local so

2201
01:22:10,430 --> 01:22:08,040
they're looking at it from like well

2202
01:22:12,050 --> 01:22:10,440
you know like well this spot could go to

2203
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:12,060
somebody else instead of one of your

2204
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:13,620
friends or somebody's got a crush on you

2205
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,540
and by the way you married the woman and

2206
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,760
she's amazing so she technically was

2207
01:22:19,970 --> 01:22:18,960
right on that that she didn't have a

2208
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:19,980
crush on you

2209
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:22,320
but at the same time it's like no you're

2210
01:22:27,649 --> 01:22:24,600
in charge of booking you can book Elmo

2211
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:27,659
and Big Bird if you want to it doesn't

2212
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:29,880
really freaking matter are they pain

2213
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:32,640
like was this person paying for like any

2214
01:22:38,590 --> 01:22:34,020
part of it were they like or were they

2215
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:38,600
just some random Joe person who

2216
01:22:44,169 --> 01:22:41,760
was all volunteer work all volunteer

2217
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:44,179
then and um

2218
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:46,620
was to schedule speakers they're

2219
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,380
grounded and critical thinkers serious

2220
01:22:53,930 --> 01:22:52,320
researchers in the topic not Riff Raff

2221
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:53,940
and

2222
01:23:02,169 --> 01:22:57,840
so I was asked to Ruby this is a speaker

2223
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:02,179
I said I won't do that I'm going to

2224
01:23:06,050 --> 01:23:05,159
uh terminate my affiliation with the

2225
01:23:07,370 --> 01:23:06,060
festival

2226
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:07,380
that was that

2227
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:09,480
and Venus has not heard from the

2228
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:11,820
festival to confirm her termination as

2229
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:12,780
the speaker

2230
01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:15,120
to this book to this day nothing

2231
01:23:19,550 --> 01:23:16,980
which is a level of unprofessional

2232
01:23:21,709 --> 01:23:19,560
conduct so

2233
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:21,719
um says no more festivals yeah I do very

2234
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:23,880
few programs and so

2235
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,640
uh now it's all online writing and

2236
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,280
blogging in and whatever programs I'll

2237
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:31,199
do on my own or this outstanding this

2238
01:23:35,209 --> 01:23:33,719
outstanding program uh that's about it

2239
01:23:37,010 --> 01:23:35,219
and

2240
01:23:39,229 --> 01:23:37,020
so

2241
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:39,239
um people have asked me several times I

2242
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:41,100
said well you you promote

2243
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,140
the mallard report you you promote

2244
01:23:47,209 --> 01:23:45,600
extension 13. you promote dead of War

2245
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:47,219
why is that that's it because they're

2246
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:49,560
outstanding programs they're not shows

2247
01:23:54,830 --> 01:23:51,060
they're not embracing the nonsensical

2248
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,840
content they're programs

2249
01:24:00,530 --> 01:23:57,679
well-run programs that convey

2250
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,540
interactions you're being very very very

2251
01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:03,600
very very generous with that

2252
01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:05,340
great Jackie

2253
01:24:09,590 --> 01:24:07,140
[\h__\h] that very much so we'll promote

2254
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:09,600
that and we'll share it on my page

2255
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:10,920
um

2256
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,080
and is that

2257
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,120
am I influencing things I don't know I

2258
01:24:19,490 --> 01:24:16,920
mean you are one of two people has told

2259
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:19,500
me I have influence in the community the

2260
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,659
other being my lovely wife Venus well I

2261
01:24:26,209 --> 01:24:23,520
look at it from from the like I'm in the

2262
01:24:28,850 --> 01:24:26,219
business so when I see numbers like oh

2263
01:24:34,090 --> 01:24:28,860
you gotta you have a UFO page and a page

2264
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:37,070
the page has

2265
01:24:40,669 --> 01:24:39,000
almost eight of almost eight thousand

2266
01:24:42,649 --> 01:24:40,679
readers the group is a little under four

2267
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:42,659
thousand so yeah so like you've got a

2268
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:46,260
page which has very little reach in

2269
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:48,300
terms of Facebook's algorithm pages are

2270
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:51,239
like down here like live video you know

2271
01:24:57,290 --> 01:24:54,719
uh um I think live video is still fairly

2272
01:25:00,050 --> 01:24:57,300
high up but you've got like your shorts

2273
01:25:02,450 --> 01:25:00,060
and then you know boosted posts you know

2274
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:02,460
like all those things down pages from

2275
01:25:06,709 --> 01:25:05,460
companies and groups well like groups

2276
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:06,719
are fairly High the pages are pretty

2277
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,940
much the lowest so the fact you have

2278
01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:10,560
that much reach you've got 8 000 people

2279
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:13,800
and if you're you're uh reach I believe

2280
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:16,560
is about 25 of your audience per post or

2281
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,780
on average about 25 that's kind of

2282
01:25:23,630 --> 01:25:21,600
insane so because you've got people who

2283
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:23,640
will actively you know actively search

2284
01:25:28,189 --> 01:25:25,739
your page for those posts and check it

2285
01:25:29,930 --> 01:25:28,199
regularly or they've said okay well I

2286
01:25:32,270 --> 01:25:29,940
want to see this on a constant basis

2287
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:32,280
which shows a higher level of trust so

2288
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:33,360
yeah there's a certain amount of

2289
01:25:37,090 --> 01:25:34,920
influence but that's more from an

2290
01:25:40,490 --> 01:25:37,100
industrial uh industry side of things

2291
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:40,500
versus you know like you're an

2292
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,880
influencer but you don't really care

2293
01:25:45,649 --> 01:25:44,159
that you're an influencer which is yeah

2294
01:25:49,250 --> 01:25:45,659
kind of endearing

2295
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,260
yeah I really don't care I've had one

2296
01:25:53,209 --> 01:25:50,880
gentleman a couple years ago asked me

2297
01:25:55,250 --> 01:25:53,219
are you worried about well people think

2298
01:25:57,290 --> 01:25:55,260
of your writing or if you as a

2299
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:57,300
researcher I said no if I was worried

2300
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:59,280
about that I wouldn't have a Blog

2301
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:00,659
if I was worried about that we'll be

2302
01:26:06,169 --> 01:26:01,560
online

2303
01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:06,179
a page I'm kind of putting myself out

2304
01:26:09,709 --> 01:26:08,040
there if I was worried about what we

2305
01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:09,719
will think was what they would what they

2306
01:26:12,530 --> 01:26:10,920
would think about me or what have you

2307
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:12,540
then I wouldn't have a page I would just

2308
01:26:17,330 --> 01:26:15,480
have my group discreetly posting data

2309
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:17,340
and that wouldn't I wouldn't convey my

2310
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,639
personal opinions not at all but um I'm

2311
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:22,080
comfortable with people agree with me or

2312
01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:23,520
not that that's fine as long as they're

2313
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:25,380
cordial they don't attack me personally

2314
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:27,960
that I won't tolerate I would just block

2315
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:31,199
them but beyond that you know a

2316
01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:32,760
straightforward bad chemical with that

2317
01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:33,960
you know because we're just exchange

2318
01:26:37,729 --> 01:26:35,159
ideas the game we're talking about

2319
01:26:40,910 --> 01:26:37,739
things we can't explain no one has any

2320
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:40,920
answers so straightforward commentary

2321
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:43,080
from different points of view it's all

2322
01:26:47,149 --> 01:26:44,820
good just block them

2323
01:26:48,890 --> 01:26:47,159
like I would do that too but before be

2324
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:48,900
like your mother and then you know then

2325
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:52,400
block them because you gotta uh

2326
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:55,260
but you take it in a

2327
01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:57,179
yeah you take it in a much better way

2328
01:27:02,689 --> 01:27:01,080
that that's awesome uh so like I'm I'm

2329
01:27:05,450 --> 01:27:02,699
like even even with our show like our

2330
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,460
page I think is around close to five or

2331
01:27:08,450 --> 01:27:07,199
six hundred and like that that's with me

2332
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,460
not doing anything on like I've only

2333
01:27:11,330 --> 01:27:09,840
just started posting on it because I'm

2334
01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:11,340
like oh the show's coming back all right

2335
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,900
I'll you know like we gotta put the

2336
01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:15,120
content up but I literally didn't touch

2337
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:18,600
it for like three or four years and

2338
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,460
I know how hard it is to try and gain

2339
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:23,040
that kind of following uh and there's a

2340
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:24,300
certain consistency that you have to

2341
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:25,980
have so like the once a day twice a day

2342
01:27:33,050 --> 01:27:28,380
posts are you know necessary and there

2343
01:27:35,810 --> 01:27:33,060
is a certain skill not skill but um

2344
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:35,820
uh discipline I was going to say that

2345
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:37,800
with regards to doing it even if you're

2346
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:39,420
just saying okay well I got to do one

2347
01:27:42,830 --> 01:27:41,159
post and then you get inspiration and

2348
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,840
you do it

2349
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:44,880
you know do you think that's more like

2350
01:27:49,189 --> 01:27:46,860
good luck or is your mind just

2351
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:49,199
constantly going

2352
01:27:54,169 --> 01:27:51,179
probably going

2353
01:27:55,729 --> 01:27:54,179
it's always going always going

2354
01:27:56,930 --> 01:27:55,739
um semi-retirement it's like that I

2355
01:28:00,590 --> 01:27:56,940
gotta think about something

2356
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,600
oh yeah just I'm always always

2357
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:02,159
turning

2358
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:04,620
um Venus and I are the same

2359
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:06,960
that way

2360
01:28:10,550 --> 01:28:08,820
um we have different thoughts and

2361
01:28:12,770 --> 01:28:10,560
different positions about a lot of all a

2362
01:28:14,689 --> 01:28:12,780
set of different topics

2363
01:28:16,370 --> 01:28:14,699
but our minds work the same as far as

2364
01:28:19,129 --> 01:28:16,380
they're always they're always there's

2365
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:19,139
always wheels turning in the head

2366
01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:21,659
um so I'm always different topics come

2367
01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:23,400
up to my head I'm like oh I write a vlog

2368
01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,620
about that sometimes I write them down

2369
01:28:28,729 --> 01:28:27,360
and say I'll get back to that at some

2370
01:28:30,290 --> 01:28:28,739
point you know I may not forget about

2371
01:28:31,970 --> 01:28:30,300
come across again well I forgot about

2372
01:28:35,570 --> 01:28:31,980
that let me write something on that and

2373
01:28:40,189 --> 01:28:37,729
um you know if if I'm influencing people

2374
01:28:41,810 --> 01:28:40,199
to be more enamored with data if I'll be

2375
01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:41,820
ability to be able to have a more of a

2376
01:28:44,930 --> 01:28:43,199
critical way of thinking about things

2377
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,940
that's all good I'm fine with that I

2378
01:28:47,689 --> 01:28:46,080
mean

2379
01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:47,699
um

2380
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:50,340
my readers know I'm a strong advocate of

2381
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:52,320
the scientific method

2382
01:28:57,729 --> 01:28:55,139
using science to explain things they

2383
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,739
also know that I'm fully

2384
01:29:02,450 --> 01:29:00,239
uh embracing the idea that science is

2385
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:02,460
only one tool in our toolbox

2386
01:29:05,149 --> 01:29:04,380
you can't explain everything at this

2387
01:29:06,890 --> 01:29:05,159
point

2388
01:29:08,990 --> 01:29:06,900
so we can't throw it away we need to use

2389
01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:09,000
science but we need to use other other

2390
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:11,219
possibilities to possibly move ourselves

2391
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:14,219
going forward instead of just sticking

2392
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:16,380
to our guns we're using one

2393
01:29:20,169 --> 01:29:18,840
and one choice scientists are guilty of

2394
01:29:22,370 --> 01:29:20,179
that they're guilty of thinking

2395
01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:22,380
scientifically but they're not open to

2396
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:24,060
other possibilities they're kind of very

2397
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:27,600
closed and set in their ways and that

2398
01:29:31,070 --> 01:29:29,580
doesn't really

2399
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:31,080
uh

2400
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:36,000
are these are evidently paranormal

2401
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:37,760
topics we're discussing at this point

2402
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:40,320
which made me explain the support later

2403
01:29:43,970 --> 01:29:41,760
down the road I mean

2404
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:43,980
you know a couple of years ago you know

2405
01:29:49,970 --> 01:29:47,040
uh scientists thought that rocks falling

2406
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:49,980
from the sky was an impossibility

2407
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,500
we now know they're called meteorites

2408
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,480
but we're talking parallel at one point

2409
01:30:02,410 --> 01:29:56,960
we'll explain well

2410
01:30:08,330 --> 01:30:05,930
is that true because I I look at you

2411
01:30:11,330 --> 01:30:08,340
know let's say the uh

2412
01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:11,340
um you know in Mecca the the Kaaba that

2413
01:30:15,709 --> 01:30:14,040
you know there is there is a stone that

2414
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,719
they that they know fell from the sky

2415
01:30:18,350 --> 01:30:17,040
and that's one of the reasons why it's

2416
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,360
revered

2417
01:30:24,169 --> 01:30:20,400
um you know within you know within the

2418
01:30:25,850 --> 01:30:24,179
overall uh um uh you know dogma and and

2419
01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:25,860
scripture

2420
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:28,620
um and how that relates to you know how

2421
01:30:32,810 --> 01:30:31,500
that relates to their faith so they've

2422
01:30:35,229 --> 01:30:32,820
known that it's fallen from the sky but

2423
01:30:37,790 --> 01:30:35,239
like have they known specifically

2424
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,800
the type or

2425
01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:39,840
you know the trajectory like how are you

2426
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:40,980
basing that information I know I'm

2427
01:30:44,410 --> 01:30:43,080
nitpicking on that one thing I just

2428
01:30:48,770 --> 01:30:44,420
don't know if it's an example

2429
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,780
in Europe which were uh gotten by their

2430
01:30:53,570 --> 01:30:50,400
religious space so they're talking about

2431
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,580
300 years ago 400 years ago okay yeah as

2432
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:55,920
opposed to you know nowadays the

2433
01:31:00,070 --> 01:30:57,900
information is thrown around on a

2434
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,080
worldwide basis as a drop of a half

2435
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:03,120
whereas prior to let's say the

2436
01:31:06,890 --> 01:31:05,100
Industrial Revolution

2437
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:06,900
the peoples around the world were not

2438
01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:08,880
aware of other people's knowledge or a

2439
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:11,400
point of view or belief structure so but

2440
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:13,320
European scientists

2441
01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:15,840
uh particularly in Britain and France

2442
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:17,460
and Spain and some of the other

2443
01:31:21,709 --> 01:31:19,320
countries were not enamored with the

2444
01:31:24,350 --> 01:31:21,719
idea that rock spoke with the sky

2445
01:31:25,729 --> 01:31:24,360
and it wasn't until the mid 1700s that

2446
01:31:28,430 --> 01:31:25,739
they probably embraced the idea that

2447
01:31:30,890 --> 01:31:28,440
rocks do follow this guy and

2448
01:31:33,169 --> 01:31:30,900
it breaks the reality of that

2449
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:33,179
um there were scientists in the

2450
01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:35,639
mid-1950s that felt that the

2451
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:38,820
the manler missions might fail

2452
01:31:41,870 --> 01:31:40,980
because they felt a lunar regulus the

2453
01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:41,880
dirt

2454
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:43,800
that any provision men would sink into

2455
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:44,940
the dirt

2456
01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:47,040
not so that's a real possibility

2457
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,380
yeah it was a possibility but we proved

2458
01:31:54,350 --> 01:31:51,600
that was wrong it takes scientific

2459
01:31:55,550 --> 01:31:54,360
Endeavors and exploration to prove or

2460
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:55,560
disprove

2461
01:32:01,250 --> 01:31:58,139
serious that's how it works

2462
01:32:03,050 --> 01:32:01,260
um I I love the scientific method but

2463
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:03,060
there are other ways to look at things

2464
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,639
Beyond science that opened up

2465
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:07,920
possibilities that we may not consider

2466
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:10,380
if we just stick to science it has its

2467
01:32:14,290 --> 01:32:11,340
place

2468
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:14,300
but it's not the end-all be-all so um

2469
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:17,280
speaking of the scientific method for

2470
01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:19,500
the three percent of UFO sightings that

2471
01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:22,020
are unexplained and let's say you know

2472
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:24,360
whether it's another three percent of

2473
01:32:28,430 --> 01:32:25,380
those

2474
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,440
for argument's sake are unexpl

2475
01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:30,000
completely unexplained so we don't know

2476
01:32:35,689 --> 01:32:32,580
like it's not meteorological it's not

2477
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:35,699
human Tech we don't know what it is how

2478
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:38,340
what kind of scientific I should say

2479
01:32:42,050 --> 01:32:40,080
scientific method how would you go about

2480
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:42,060
trying to analyze that as a

2481
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:44,400
non-scientist to say whether it's

2482
01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:46,560
extraterrestrial or really potentially

2483
01:32:51,169 --> 01:32:49,380
extraterrestrial or you know something

2484
01:32:52,850 --> 01:32:51,179
else like maybe it's a bird or insect

2485
01:32:53,930 --> 01:32:52,860
that refracted off of something we just

2486
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:53,940
don't know

2487
01:32:58,850 --> 01:32:56,159
so I say okay we have 100 cases in our

2488
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,860
on our own books we conduct a hundred

2489
01:33:03,530 --> 01:33:01,440
field investigations or examinations

2490
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:03,540
which is a lot of work but we explain

2491
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:07,560
things as balloons aircraft Birds bugs

2492
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:10,380
and a windshield what not those we were

2493
01:33:14,810 --> 01:33:12,360
left the three percent We examined those

2494
01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:14,820
three percent of cases so explain

2495
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:16,500
there's a certain percentage that are

2496
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:18,420
still explainable because the data we

2497
01:33:21,950 --> 01:33:20,340
have is incomplete

2498
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:21,960
or there's not enough data to really

2499
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:23,580
come to a conclusion

2500
01:33:27,410 --> 01:33:25,199
there seems to be a percentage of those

2501
01:33:31,010 --> 01:33:27,420
unexplained that are explainable by or

2502
01:33:35,149 --> 01:33:31,020
suggested that they're explainable by

2503
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,159
um secret military technology that we as

2504
01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:37,199
civilians are not privy to I I'm

2505
01:33:41,209 --> 01:33:38,940
comfortable with that idea

2506
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:41,219
and then a certain percentage are just

2507
01:33:45,790 --> 01:33:43,260
unexplained they're unexplainable the

2508
01:33:50,750 --> 01:33:45,800
the information we have

2509
01:33:52,669 --> 01:33:50,760
uh evades uh explanation for some reason

2510
01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:52,679
and

2511
01:33:59,209 --> 01:33:56,280
uh there was a project done in the 1970s

2512
01:34:01,370 --> 01:33:59,219
or late or early 80s it was called the

2513
01:34:05,209 --> 01:34:03,050
um a movie was called the g-pad report

2514
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:05,219
he was conducted by the French the

2515
01:34:10,550 --> 01:34:07,739
French version of NASA

2516
01:34:12,890 --> 01:34:10,560
and the percentage of unexplained cases

2517
01:34:14,450 --> 01:34:12,900
they they got which was about I think

2518
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:14,460
eight to ten percent was a little higher

2519
01:34:20,689 --> 01:34:18,300
in France with that with that project

2520
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:20,699
um they found that the vast majority of

2521
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:23,159
unexplained cases were the ones with

2522
01:34:29,870 --> 01:34:26,580
more data and more information they were

2523
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:29,880
reported by more Highly Educated people

2524
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:31,739
I found it interesting

2525
01:34:35,570 --> 01:34:33,239
that

2526
01:34:37,070 --> 01:34:35,580
the higher the educational level of the

2527
01:34:39,830 --> 01:34:37,080
witness

2528
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:39,840
the more information you have the more

2529
01:34:43,970 --> 01:34:41,400
quality information you have about the

2530
01:34:45,649 --> 01:34:43,980
signing the less likely it was they

2531
01:34:48,890 --> 01:34:45,659
could explain it which is kind of

2532
01:34:54,410 --> 01:34:48,900
counter-intuitive now going back to the

2533
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,420
um alleged videos that nap and all are

2534
01:34:59,330 --> 01:34:56,159
releasing on a constant basis which you

2535
01:35:04,189 --> 01:34:59,340
know you and I both know are probably

2536
01:35:07,790 --> 01:35:06,770
if you're taking I'm trying to be able

2537
01:35:11,330 --> 01:35:07,800
to remember what I was actually going to

2538
01:35:14,990 --> 01:35:11,340
say uh go okay

2539
01:35:16,729 --> 01:35:15,000
those videos you and I both know based

2540
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:16,739
on the fact that we've seen a million

2541
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:20,699
you know Facebook posts videos claims

2542
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:23,280
um when somebody's taking a

2543
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:25,080
screen cap

2544
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:28,800
closed in on a computer screen

2545
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:31,199
trying to obviously obfuscate everything

2546
01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:32,639
else around it except for the actual

2547
01:35:37,370 --> 01:35:34,320
item itself to try and keep it in frame

2548
01:35:40,030 --> 01:35:37,380
that it's being done for a reason

2549
01:35:47,629 --> 01:35:44,750
those initial reports were claimed by

2550
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:47,639
individuals that had high status you

2551
01:35:53,470 --> 01:35:50,159
know like you know fraver who was former

2552
01:35:55,850 --> 01:35:53,480
USAF pilot uh

2553
01:35:57,729 --> 01:35:55,860
for those people who were educated or at

2554
01:36:00,649 --> 01:35:57,739
least providing all that information

2555
01:36:03,169 --> 01:36:00,659
like how many of those do you think are

2556
01:36:04,430 --> 01:36:03,179
people whom are trying to game the

2557
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:04,440
system or just trying to be able to get

2558
01:36:09,229 --> 01:36:06,780
attention and know how to be able to do

2559
01:36:13,370 --> 01:36:11,390
I think that's an unknown I couldn't put

2560
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:13,380
a number of that but it's a definite

2561
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:15,179
possibility

2562
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:16,560
that's

2563
01:36:26,689 --> 01:36:24,300
you might have qualified observers

2564
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:26,699
whatever that means uh let's say

2565
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:29,760
military Pilots uh scientists

2566
01:36:34,250 --> 01:36:31,920
astronomers what not that they they're

2567
01:36:36,290 --> 01:36:34,260
aware of things in our skies or in the

2568
01:36:38,090 --> 01:36:36,300
universe around us and and so when

2569
01:36:41,570 --> 01:36:38,100
something is seen bought them they were

2570
01:36:43,790 --> 01:36:41,580
that that is still unexplained they

2571
01:36:45,470 --> 01:36:43,800
can't identify okay that that speaks

2572
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:45,480
volumes that doesn't mean their

2573
01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:47,580
testimony is invaluable it just means

2574
01:36:54,050 --> 01:36:50,520
that it's interesting to say the least

2575
01:36:56,090 --> 01:36:54,060
um or all those individuals coming forth

2576
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:56,100
in an honest average who convey their

2577
01:37:00,649 --> 01:36:58,560
information or is it or is there an

2578
01:37:02,930 --> 01:37:00,659
ulterior motive I don't know we're still

2579
01:37:04,430 --> 01:37:02,940
talking about human beings here well so

2580
01:37:07,129 --> 01:37:04,440
and that that's that's always been my

2581
01:37:07,970 --> 01:37:07,139
issue with regards to

2582
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:07,980
um

2583
01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:11,100
testimony as a form of evidence in the

2584
01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:12,600
scientific method testimony is the

2585
01:37:17,090 --> 01:37:15,239
lowest form of evidence agreed so yeah

2586
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,100
you have individuals who claim something

2587
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,159
that's great in a court of law that is

2588
01:37:24,890 --> 01:37:22,320
uh you know a potential even then it's

2589
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,900
still hearsay but when we're talking

2590
01:37:28,930 --> 01:37:26,400
data if somebody's reporting something

2591
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:28,940
and saying well I saw X

2592
01:37:35,570 --> 01:37:33,060
it was uh you know approximately 1500

2593
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,580
feet away from me maybe 50 feet in the

2594
01:37:38,930 --> 01:37:37,679
sky 50 feet in the sky it was this time

2595
01:37:40,189 --> 01:37:38,940
of day the sun was in this position

2596
01:37:41,450 --> 01:37:40,199
they're going to give you all this

2597
01:37:42,830 --> 01:37:41,460
information

2598
01:37:45,530 --> 01:37:42,840
unless you're actually getting the

2599
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:45,540
first-hand readings of you know the the

2600
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:48,719
the light meter the the uh you know

2601
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:50,159
laser range finder you're still going

2602
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:52,800
off of their word and their testimony so

2603
01:38:00,050 --> 01:37:55,679
how how can we as people draw

2604
01:38:01,970 --> 01:38:00,060
conclusions or a test to credibility to

2605
01:38:04,610 --> 01:38:01,980
something when we're still basing that

2606
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,620
information off of shaky potential you

2607
01:38:07,129 --> 01:38:06,000
know thread information from somebody

2608
01:38:08,209 --> 01:38:07,139
who's been through a traumatic

2609
01:38:12,290 --> 01:38:08,219
experience

2610
01:38:14,570 --> 01:38:12,300
we can't there's no way to do that uh

2611
01:38:18,490 --> 01:38:14,580
that is not a popular

2612
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:18,500
uh position the opioid because

2613
01:38:25,070 --> 01:38:23,040
yeah your researchers hold

2614
01:38:26,330 --> 01:38:25,080
testimonials at a very high standard

2615
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,340
they really do

2616
01:38:30,890 --> 01:38:28,320
but in the scientific method testimony

2617
01:38:33,110 --> 01:38:30,900
is is the weakest form of evidence

2618
01:38:35,810 --> 01:38:33,120
um like you said so

2619
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:35,820
um I heard things about like

2620
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,639
uh more percentage of UFO reports well

2621
01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:41,760
reports are just that their reports

2622
01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:43,860
that's it that does not mean it's

2623
01:38:49,310 --> 01:38:46,380
anomalous that it's just a report

2624
01:38:50,810 --> 01:38:49,320
um we have to be very very cautious at

2625
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:50,820
being

2626
01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:52,679
never lose sight of the fact that with

2627
01:38:58,189 --> 01:38:54,239
his testimonies are just that

2628
01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:58,199
testimonies the human brain is not a

2629
01:39:05,530 --> 01:39:01,199
objective chronicler of events it isn't

2630
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:05,540
memories change one more time they do so

2631
01:39:10,490 --> 01:39:08,880
testimonials are not cut and dry they're

2632
01:39:11,390 --> 01:39:10,500
not X's and O's they're not black and

2633
01:39:13,370 --> 01:39:11,400
white

2634
01:39:15,770 --> 01:39:13,380
people are describing anomalous

2635
01:39:17,629 --> 01:39:15,780
emotionally charged events

2636
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,639
they're not conveying the testimonials

2637
01:39:21,770 --> 01:39:19,679
in an objective way they're doing the

2638
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:21,780
best they can but it can't be viewed as

2639
01:39:26,330 --> 01:39:24,600
objective data it cannot be no it's so

2640
01:39:28,129 --> 01:39:26,340
that that is part of the issue so how

2641
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:28,139
can researchers claim to be researchers

2642
01:39:30,590 --> 01:39:29,280
when they're just essentially getting

2643
01:39:32,450 --> 01:39:30,600
testimonies they're getting stories from

2644
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:32,460
people that isn't researching that's

2645
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:33,719
journalism

2646
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,679
yep yep exactly right yeah so that

2647
01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:39,600
majority of work the vast majority of

2648
01:39:46,669 --> 01:39:43,080
information we have is anecdotal

2649
01:39:47,689 --> 01:39:46,679
that story bro yeah where where's where

2650
01:39:49,729 --> 01:39:47,699
you know where where's my damn

2651
01:39:52,129 --> 01:39:49,739
Rangefinder readings where where's my uh

2652
01:39:53,870 --> 01:39:52,139
my radar track reports you know where

2653
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:53,880
exactly yeah

2654
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:56,159
we have very few reports that feature

2655
01:39:59,450 --> 01:39:57,440
that kind of information

2656
01:40:01,370 --> 01:39:59,460
very few

2657
01:40:03,050 --> 01:40:01,380
and then the vast majority are the

2658
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:03,060
stories

2659
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:04,980
to Yvonne

2660
01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:05,760
um

2661
01:40:10,669 --> 01:40:09,179
having said that will I accept firsthand

2662
01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:10,679
testimony for somebody I'm much more

2663
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:12,060
comfortable with first-hand testimony

2664
01:40:15,530 --> 01:40:13,679
once you go second to third hand I don't

2665
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,540
want to hear it no because I'm hearing

2666
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,760
that from someone else no the likelihood

2667
01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:19,920
of that being conveyed accurately no no

2668
01:40:27,770 --> 01:40:24,420
no no these mothers dogs saw something

2669
01:40:30,290 --> 01:40:27,780
one day no not good enough no uh first

2670
01:40:32,930 --> 01:40:30,300
had testimony that's conveyed relatively

2671
01:40:34,129 --> 01:40:32,940
soon after the event is reasonable to

2672
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:34,139
embrace

2673
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:38,639
second third hand no no it's it's not um

2674
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:40,980
but physical evidence I mean radar

2675
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:43,440
traces they're radiation traces uh burn

2676
01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:45,420
marks lightning traces

2677
01:40:51,649 --> 01:40:48,900
in very few cases feature that very few

2678
01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:51,659
and how easy is it to fake let's say

2679
01:40:56,810 --> 01:40:53,940
like uh

2680
01:40:58,490 --> 01:40:56,820
um you know burn traces like obviously

2681
01:41:00,410 --> 01:40:58,500
burn traces with radiation are a little

2682
01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:00,420
bit more difficult to find unless the

2683
01:41:04,430 --> 01:41:02,100
person who's doing it is ending up in

2684
01:41:07,550 --> 01:41:04,440
the ER with uh with radiation poisoning

2685
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:07,560
but yeah I would think that if you've

2686
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:10,800
got individuals who can use uh cricket

2687
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:13,800
bats attached to some string to over a

2688
01:41:18,110 --> 01:41:15,719
night create entire intricate circle

2689
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:18,120
pattern on a field that you could also

2690
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:19,920
have somebody do that and then you know

2691
01:41:26,990 --> 01:41:21,780
use

2692
01:41:30,649 --> 01:41:27,000
fire or like a you know just a can with

2693
01:41:33,169 --> 01:41:30,659
with a lighter to Scorch some some more

2694
01:41:34,609 --> 01:41:33,179
of the grass that's coming up to give

2695
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,619
that effect of like oh a landing

2696
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:36,239
Crafters here you know this was the pad

2697
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:37,679
that they came down on you can see that

2698
01:41:42,169 --> 01:41:39,480
it's burned because it came in through

2699
01:41:44,450 --> 01:41:42,179
through the atmosphere like those are

2700
01:41:45,890 --> 01:41:44,460
the kinds of it's not just the testimony

2701
01:41:48,709 --> 01:41:45,900
it's also like the physical evidence

2702
01:41:50,510 --> 01:41:48,719
which can also be falsified and like to

2703
01:41:53,030 --> 01:41:50,520
me that piss that that pisses me off

2704
01:41:54,590 --> 01:41:53,040
because like okay if there there's

2705
01:41:56,990 --> 01:41:54,600
actually phenomena that's going on of

2706
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,000
some kind nobody knows what it is and

2707
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:58,080
it's that kind of thing that makes it

2708
01:42:01,609 --> 01:41:59,520
more difficult not only for it to be

2709
01:42:02,810 --> 01:42:01,619
taken seriously but for people to

2710
01:42:05,570 --> 01:42:02,820
actually figure out what they need to be

2711
01:42:07,850 --> 01:42:05,580
able to to research and to measure or or

2712
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:07,860
what they need to look out for because

2713
01:42:12,169 --> 01:42:09,719
you know half the stuff that we've been

2714
01:42:14,090 --> 01:42:12,179
told is is evidence or or physical Trace

2715
01:42:18,169 --> 01:42:14,100
could be completely BS

2716
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:18,179
yep sure can yep you got uh

2717
01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:19,980
been a great example of how easy it is

2718
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,500
to hoax things I guess before I go up

2719
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,480
one or Another Chance is that

2720
01:42:28,689 --> 01:42:25,920
um

2721
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:28,699
let's let's talk move on first okay

2722
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,340
you'll feel about scares the move on

2723
01:42:37,070 --> 01:42:34,800
are not qualified investigators they're

2724
01:42:38,930 --> 01:42:37,080
not retired law enforcement they're not

2725
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,940
retired scientists they're not

2726
01:42:44,209 --> 01:42:41,040
they're not educated in the the Earth

2727
01:42:46,370 --> 01:42:44,219
Sciences they're not

2728
01:42:47,870 --> 01:42:46,380
knowledgeable into how to conduct an

2729
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:47,880
actual investigation

2730
01:42:52,490 --> 01:42:50,460
uh field investors investigator school

2731
01:42:55,550 --> 01:42:52,500
for Boost phones a few days long

2732
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,560
I would not want a murder investigation

2733
01:42:59,209 --> 01:42:57,840
or some such crime like that

2734
01:43:00,890 --> 01:42:59,219
investigated by somebody who has like a

2735
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:00,900
few days experience that

2736
01:43:07,370 --> 01:43:04,320
I don't think anybody three days yeah so

2737
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:07,380
that we have that level of of quality

2738
01:43:18,850 --> 01:43:09,480
investigation three days and I bet you

2739
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:22,910
uh beyond that putting that aside

2740
01:43:28,850 --> 01:43:25,800
it's easy to hoax even qualified

2741
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:28,860
individuals there was a pair of

2742
01:43:34,450 --> 01:43:32,460
gentlemen in the late 60s 1967.

2743
01:43:36,470 --> 01:43:34,460
um Dan and Grant

2744
01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:36,480
jaroslaw I think it was they were in

2745
01:43:40,490 --> 01:43:39,060
Michigan State I the memory memory

2746
01:43:42,950 --> 01:43:40,500
doesn't serve me but a couple of

2747
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:42,960
brothers that allegedly took four or

2748
01:43:46,490 --> 01:43:45,119
three or four photographs of UFO

2749
01:43:48,050 --> 01:43:46,500
overhead

2750
01:43:50,270 --> 01:43:48,060
those photographs were examined by

2751
01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:50,280
Project Blue Book they were examined by

2752
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:52,440
ground Foster walk they were grounded by

2753
01:43:56,810 --> 01:43:55,679
nightcap they were examined by Dr Jalen

2754
01:43:59,689 --> 01:43:56,820
Hunter

2755
01:44:01,609 --> 01:43:59,699
who was the uh head of astronomy at

2756
01:44:04,490 --> 01:44:01,619
Northwestern University

2757
01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:04,500
qualified individual educated man

2758
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,300
and nobody could explain them so

2759
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:08,159
everybody kind of embraced the idea that

2760
01:44:12,709 --> 01:44:09,960
these photographs were about

2761
01:44:16,370 --> 01:44:12,719
possibly of alien spacecraft

2762
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:16,380
so 1976 arrives and Dan and

2763
01:44:21,410 --> 01:44:18,480
granddaughter's law write a letter to

2764
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:21,420
Allah honey give it into having host the

2765
01:44:28,010 --> 01:44:24,000
photographs

2766
01:44:29,890 --> 01:44:28,020
so a a a man who was a PhD

2767
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:29,900
and was head of astronomy for University

2768
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:32,820
was fooled by a couple of guys that

2769
01:44:37,729 --> 01:44:35,520
didn't hold that level of Education if

2770
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:37,739
he could hold he we can pull him

2771
01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:40,860
and how easy how easy to pull a blue

2772
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,940
collar worker who's the fuel

2773
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:43,920
investigator oh I I got one I got one

2774
01:44:48,109 --> 01:44:45,900
better on for you on that

2775
01:44:51,050 --> 01:44:48,119
uh

2776
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:51,060
Roswell autopsy

2777
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:54,600
no God yeah good good friend of mine and

2778
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:56,699
friend of the show spiritus malaris go

2779
01:45:02,330 --> 01:44:59,460
go Google him he was the guy uh for

2780
01:45:03,010 --> 01:45:02,340
anybody out there he was the man who

2781
01:45:07,609 --> 01:45:03,020
um

2782
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,619
planned shots and like produced the

2783
01:45:15,229 --> 01:45:10,800
autopsy video uh he is a master magician

2784
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:15,239
he is a uh an expert expert photographer

2785
01:45:20,570 --> 01:45:19,380
experts uh videographer uh filmmaker and

2786
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:20,580
uh

2787
01:45:25,790 --> 01:45:22,980
I should go back and unfortunately I

2788
01:45:26,810 --> 01:45:25,800
can't actually uh post the videos

2789
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:26,820
um

2790
01:45:31,250 --> 01:45:28,800
beat him because we basically did a uh

2791
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:31,260
uh a director's commentary on the entire

2792
01:45:35,330 --> 01:45:33,300
alien autopsy video and fox did not like

2793
01:45:38,090 --> 01:45:35,340
that at all so that's in private right

2794
01:45:39,410 --> 01:45:38,100
now and in the video feed but he told me

2795
01:45:42,770 --> 01:45:39,420
like the way that I when I asked him

2796
01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:42,780
like how did you get the video like the

2797
01:45:47,330 --> 01:45:45,060
actual real because they they faked The

2798
01:45:50,209 --> 01:45:47,340
Reel like or I should say the real was

2799
01:45:53,149 --> 01:45:50,219
it was real video of a fake event but

2800
01:45:57,169 --> 01:45:53,159
they faked the authentication by sleight

2801
01:45:59,629 --> 01:45:57,179
of hand which got past the Kodak ex the

2802
01:46:02,090 --> 01:45:59,639
person from Kodak the person who

2803
01:46:06,169 --> 01:46:02,100
basically knew on the planet more about

2804
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:06,179
that particular uh physical film and

2805
01:46:09,950 --> 01:46:08,580
they managed to fool him through sleight

2806
01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:09,960
of hand

2807
01:46:15,050 --> 01:46:11,820
and that's that's how the entire thing

2808
01:46:17,629 --> 01:46:15,060
got going and I'm

2809
01:46:20,510 --> 01:46:17,639
like you you have somebody like you've

2810
01:46:22,669 --> 01:46:20,520
got a magician videographer who knows uh

2811
01:46:24,890 --> 01:46:22,679
who knows about time continuity and how

2812
01:46:25,970 --> 01:46:24,900
to be able to change uh switches out so

2813
01:46:27,950 --> 01:46:25,980
that they're from the right time period

2814
01:46:29,689 --> 01:46:27,960
so it seems more believable

2815
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:29,699
you know who's who has sleight of hand

2816
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:32,639
and he's able to fool undoubtedly the

2817
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:36,239
top expert on the planet uh in in the

2818
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,260
film the actual brand of physical film

2819
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:42,719
like what what you know now we've got 3D

2820
01:46:48,050 --> 01:46:44,880
generated uh imagery that's almost life

2821
01:46:50,450 --> 01:46:48,060
like we've got AI photography or or

2822
01:46:53,090 --> 01:46:50,460
imagery that can be created like just by

2823
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:53,100
a prompt by a 12 year old and a phone

2824
01:46:59,109 --> 01:46:56,940
what hope do any of us have you know uh

2825
01:47:01,689 --> 01:46:59,119
yeah yeah

2826
01:47:03,310 --> 01:47:01,699
for my for my money

2827
01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:03,320
the

2828
01:47:12,109 --> 01:47:09,780
maybe have captured and knowledge things

2829
01:47:15,229 --> 01:47:12,119
we're taking part of the 70s

2830
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,239
But as time has gone on and technology

2831
01:47:19,550 --> 01:47:17,520
has become more and more prevalent and

2832
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,560
more and more advanced becomes easier

2833
01:47:23,689 --> 01:47:21,360
and easier to hoax things and those

2834
01:47:27,290 --> 01:47:23,699
hoaxes become more and more complex and

2835
01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:27,300
more and more difficult to weed out so

2836
01:47:31,729 --> 01:47:30,300
um is it because it's easier how much

2837
01:47:34,609 --> 01:47:31,739
time does it take to be able to produce

2838
01:47:36,770 --> 01:47:34,619
a 3D video that seems lifelike versus

2839
01:47:38,750 --> 01:47:36,780
taking a broom handle in some fishing

2840
01:47:40,729 --> 01:47:38,760
line and you know attaching at the top

2841
01:47:42,890 --> 01:47:40,739
of the hubcap and then taking a photo I

2842
01:47:46,970 --> 01:47:42,900
would say that the ladder is technically

2843
01:47:50,209 --> 01:47:46,980
easier yeah but you know

2844
01:47:51,770 --> 01:47:50,219
time I mean a 16 year old kid buying a

2845
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:51,780
keyboard can make a pretty good pretty

2846
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:54,719
damn good video nowadays so and the

2847
01:48:00,229 --> 01:47:56,880
internet even any cursory scanner

2848
01:48:01,609 --> 01:48:00,239
YouTube YouTube is chock full of UFO

2849
01:48:04,669 --> 01:48:01,619
videos

2850
01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:04,679
are any of those valid I know hoaxed but

2851
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:06,060
I have no idea it's like a needle and

2852
01:48:12,109 --> 01:48:08,880
ASAP no face of moving I don't know Miss

2853
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:12,119
talk well I I can recall even even a

2854
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:14,639
couple uh you know videos that were

2855
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:16,679
claimed of UFOs but they were actually

2856
01:48:21,709 --> 01:48:20,100
of like NASA NASA's 3D generated images

2857
01:48:24,590 --> 01:48:21,719
that were trying to be able to

2858
01:48:25,729 --> 01:48:24,600
demonstrate the Chandra satellites which

2859
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:25,739
were

2860
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:28,980
um basically put in orbit to measure the

2861
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:32,040
level of water in the Grand Canyon and

2862
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:35,760
it was like this this guy's video was

2863
01:48:41,209 --> 01:48:39,119
picked up by uh um a couple of tabloids

2864
01:48:44,570 --> 01:48:41,219
in the UK which will pretty much post

2865
01:48:46,189 --> 01:48:44,580
and you know anything up and it's just

2866
01:48:50,390 --> 01:48:46,199
like no like you know I went and

2867
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:50,400
actually found the physical uh video or

2868
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:51,600
not the physical video but like the

2869
01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:54,780
video on on you know NASA's jet

2870
01:48:59,209 --> 01:48:56,340
propulsion laboratory satellite and the

2871
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:59,219
exact same video and I'm like what UFOs

2872
01:49:04,490 --> 01:49:02,400
this is yeah this is this is JPL imagery

2873
01:49:06,109 --> 01:49:04,500
this is like really bad 3D generated

2874
01:49:07,450 --> 01:49:06,119
imagery how do you think this is real

2875
01:49:11,209 --> 01:49:07,460
people

2876
01:49:14,689 --> 01:49:11,219
there is a video and actually this is

2877
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:14,699
images of a of an object that was seen

2878
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:16,080
or were I think was the New Jersey

2879
01:49:20,689 --> 01:49:17,880
Turnpike years ago

2880
01:49:22,729 --> 01:49:20,699
it was a europeo aliens pitchcraft it's

2881
01:49:24,410 --> 01:49:22,739
good to your blue

2882
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,420
it was shown to be a Goodyear political

2883
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:26,400
we have documentation showing he was

2884
01:49:30,770 --> 01:49:28,560
flying in that area at the exact same

2885
01:49:33,890 --> 01:49:30,780
time those prematures were taken

2886
01:49:36,590 --> 01:49:33,900
and now that is resurfaced despite the

2887
01:49:38,530 --> 01:49:36,600
information which supports and proves it

2888
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:38,540
was the Goodyear blip people are still

2889
01:49:42,109 --> 01:49:41,100
posting those photographs saying they're

2890
01:49:43,729 --> 01:49:42,119
alien

2891
01:49:46,609 --> 01:49:43,739
well that's why so hopefully they never

2892
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:46,619
go away never do well this is why I I

2893
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,300
know that there are

2894
01:49:53,570 --> 01:49:50,400
um like for the some of the videos that

2895
01:49:55,490 --> 01:49:53,580
to the Stars Academy put out uh you know

2896
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,500
claiming to show the Tic Tac which was

2897
01:49:59,810 --> 01:49:57,119
just like the heat uh the the floor

2898
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:59,820
camera uh like I I'm I to this day

2899
01:50:02,090 --> 01:50:00,840
people will say like oh it was the

2900
01:50:04,189 --> 01:50:02,100
internal reflection of the camera yes

2901
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:04,199
it's a possibility I still think that it

2902
01:50:08,990 --> 01:50:07,080
was you know that it was film from the

2903
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:09,000
ex I believe it was the x23 the

2904
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:11,040
hypersonic

2905
01:50:14,510 --> 01:50:12,900
um like top secret Hypersonic model that

2906
01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:14,520
was launched because the Nimitz was out

2907
01:50:17,810 --> 01:50:16,619
at Sea in that area at around the same

2908
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:17,820
time and pretty much the same flight

2909
01:50:21,590 --> 01:50:20,340
flight path so if somebody actually

2910
01:50:23,870 --> 01:50:21,600
caught that video and it was from the

2911
01:50:25,729 --> 01:50:23,880
Nimitz you know something going that

2912
01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:25,739
fast well that that thing went that fast

2913
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:28,980
so it was an actual physical object

2914
01:50:31,129 --> 01:50:29,520
um

2915
01:50:32,689 --> 01:50:31,139
and like that was something that was

2916
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:32,699
man-made

2917
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:34,560
and you know even though we only had

2918
01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:35,820
like maybe about a minute worth of

2919
01:50:39,649 --> 01:50:38,520
footage and it was really bad quality uh

2920
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:39,659
you know like those kind of strange

2921
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,880
things just uh

2922
01:50:46,189 --> 01:50:43,440
like it's it's those kind of videos that

2923
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,199
just like they spawn a um kind of a mind

2924
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:47,760
of their own like you know the the white

2925
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:48,719
van

2926
01:50:55,790 --> 01:50:53,520
kids it's it's that urban Urban

2927
01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:55,800
lore or Urban myth

2928
01:51:02,090 --> 01:50:59,639
yeah you know and that yeah the UFO

2929
01:51:03,770 --> 01:51:02,100
topic is

2930
01:51:05,209 --> 01:51:03,780
blue

2931
01:51:07,609 --> 01:51:05,219
tails

2932
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:07,619
that aren't true that become myths

2933
01:51:12,169 --> 01:51:09,840
they've embraced as

2934
01:51:14,330 --> 01:51:12,179
uh what what does a certain ex-president

2935
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:14,340
say you know as a publisher with

2936
01:51:18,649 --> 01:51:16,080
bookstand the more you say something the

2937
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:18,659
more people will end up believing them

2938
01:51:23,689 --> 01:51:21,480
yeah you've got the the Richard Nixon

2939
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,699
Jackie Gleason UFO store you've got the

2940
01:51:28,570 --> 01:51:26,159
Aztec New Mexico Story You've Got the

2941
01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:28,580
Aurora Texas crash

2942
01:51:34,850 --> 01:51:31,800
uh Memorial event those are all shown to

2943
01:51:37,490 --> 01:51:34,860
be hoaxes the Phoenix Lights

2944
01:51:40,430 --> 01:51:37,500
I'm sorry Phoenix Lights

2945
01:51:41,590 --> 01:51:40,440
yeah and that they they live again they

2946
01:51:43,850 --> 01:51:41,600
never go away

2947
01:51:45,050 --> 01:51:43,860
even if Pilots will come forward and say

2948
01:51:47,450 --> 01:51:45,060
no I was actually in that training

2949
01:51:48,530 --> 01:51:47,460
exercise it was flares yeah and it's

2950
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,540
like no man you're part of the

2951
01:51:53,050 --> 01:51:50,400
government it's a conspiracy it was UFO

2952
01:51:58,430 --> 01:51:56,270
it's invalid let's embrace the reality

2953
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:58,440
of an investigation no let's embrace the

2954
01:52:03,169 --> 01:52:00,719
myth perpetuated down the road never

2955
01:52:04,970 --> 01:52:03,179
goes away and

2956
01:52:06,410 --> 01:52:04,980
that that's why the fuel doesn't get

2957
01:52:07,729 --> 01:52:06,420
anywhere we're spitting our Wheels we're

2958
01:52:09,169 --> 01:52:07,739
still discussing things they've been

2959
01:52:12,050 --> 01:52:09,179
shown to be untrue

2960
01:52:14,810 --> 01:52:12,060
and we asked it happened in January of

2961
01:52:17,090 --> 01:52:14,820
48th that's a long time ago

2962
01:52:20,990 --> 01:52:17,100
he will still embrace it as real come on

2963
01:52:23,090 --> 01:52:21,000
boy a lot of a lot of UFO uh media is

2964
01:52:24,830 --> 01:52:23,100
again rehashing stories from I guess

2965
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:24,840
it's just rehashing the same lore over

2966
01:52:28,430 --> 01:52:26,820
and over and over again it's it's like

2967
01:52:31,070 --> 01:52:28,440
you're watching howdy Duty from the you

2968
01:52:32,930 --> 01:52:31,080
know the 40s or 50s and it's it's 2023

2969
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,940
yeah like I'm sorry I'm not watching

2970
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:34,800
Pluto TV here to try and relive The

2971
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:35,940
Glory Days I want to know what's going

2972
01:52:40,189 --> 01:52:38,760
on with these damn things yeah and you

2973
01:52:41,090 --> 01:52:40,199
know what I'm not going to say we're

2974
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:41,100
going to solve it on this show because

2975
01:52:44,649 --> 01:52:43,800
we're coming near near the end here uh

2976
01:52:47,390 --> 01:52:44,659
but

2977
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:47,400
outrageous oh and you mean I mean like

2978
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:48,719
we've gone through two hours already I

2979
01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:50,760
know and I'm like wow at the after the

2980
01:52:56,750 --> 01:52:53,580
the week I've had I'm like we may we may

2981
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,760
move back to 8 30. in a couple of weeks

2982
01:53:01,370 --> 01:52:58,800
once I can I can get things out because

2983
01:53:02,689 --> 01:53:01,380
I think this 10 P.M to uh midnight thing

2984
01:53:05,149 --> 01:53:02,699
is it's just it's just too much for me

2985
01:53:07,550 --> 01:53:05,159
I'm not I'm not you know 30 30 anymore

2986
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:07,560
guys uh you know everyone on the East

2987
01:53:11,870 --> 01:53:10,320
Coast yay if we're on the west coast I'm

2988
01:53:13,010 --> 01:53:11,880
still going to be at work Chris what are

2989
01:53:15,530 --> 01:53:13,020
you doing to me like you know what

2990
01:53:18,410 --> 01:53:15,540
listen in the car on the way home

2991
01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:18,420
yes sir yeah so

2992
01:53:24,410 --> 01:53:23,090
do you have any final words of wisdom

2993
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:24,420
that you'd like to be able to impart

2994
01:53:27,770 --> 01:53:26,520
what what is a message

2995
01:53:30,910 --> 01:53:27,780
that you want to be able to tell the

2996
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,189
the yopo issue is worthy of a scientific

2997
01:53:39,950 --> 01:53:36,719
not sure the wrong term it's worthy of a

2998
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,960
serious discussion a serious examination

2999
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,520
whether you're enabler with science or

3000
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:43,679
whatever point of view you want to say

3001
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,500
a tongued Chic lighthearted approach is

3002
01:53:52,669 --> 01:53:49,199
not going to get us anywhere a

3003
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:52,679
serious critically thought out

3004
01:53:57,290 --> 01:53:53,760
um

3005
01:53:59,390 --> 01:53:57,300
look at this topic is this topic is

3006
01:54:03,470 --> 01:53:59,400
worthy of that whether you're witness or

3007
01:54:05,870 --> 01:54:03,480
not and if we do that and all keep

3008
01:54:08,510 --> 01:54:05,880
ourselves grounded in reality and

3009
01:54:10,790 --> 01:54:08,520
embrace the ballot and push away from

3010
01:54:13,729 --> 01:54:10,800
the untruths we might have a chance to

3011
01:54:15,530 --> 01:54:13,739
solve this issue at some point

3012
01:54:16,850 --> 01:54:15,540
um but we keep embracing things that

3013
01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:16,860
aren't true

3014
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:20,460
and keep not using our brain

3015
01:54:26,270 --> 01:54:23,340
will never solve the issue

3016
01:54:29,629 --> 01:54:26,280
um but again like I said my blogs that's

3017
01:54:35,870 --> 01:54:32,390
and with that his humble opinion and a

3018
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:35,880
Hubble man he is uh William thank you

3019
01:54:40,970 --> 01:54:37,020
very much for coming on the show I know

3020
01:54:42,290 --> 01:54:40,980
you've been eager to come on and from

3021
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:42,300
you know it's like when can we promote

3022
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,440
the show I'm like man you can do

3023
01:54:48,169 --> 01:54:45,360
whatever you want whenever you want you

3024
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,179
got free reign like I'm I am I am in

3025
01:54:52,189 --> 01:54:50,880
low-key having a good time mode like you

3026
01:54:53,810 --> 01:54:52,199
want to promote it six weeks I'll go for

3027
01:54:56,450 --> 01:54:53,820
it uh we're definitely gonna have you

3028
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:56,460
back on the show uh cause

3029
01:55:00,890 --> 01:54:58,560
this this is this is supposed to be fun

3030
01:55:03,229 --> 01:55:00,900
time for everybody learn some cool [\h__\h]

3031
01:55:05,629 --> 01:55:03,239
oh yeah you know we will we talk about

3032
01:55:07,850 --> 01:55:05,639
philosophy we talk about the topics we

3033
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:07,860
talk about the the bigger picture but at

3034
01:55:10,609 --> 01:55:09,119
the end of the day it's it's literally

3035
01:55:13,310 --> 01:55:10,619
two hours for me to be able to talk with

3036
01:55:14,570 --> 01:55:13,320
friends and people I find interesting uh

3037
01:55:16,189 --> 01:55:14,580
which is one of the reasons why I'm like

3038
01:55:17,930 --> 01:55:16,199
I gotta I had to have you on the show

3039
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:17,940
for like one of the first guests because

3040
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:19,980
I think it would be criminal to not do

3041
01:55:25,310 --> 01:55:23,040
so because we used to have so much fun

3042
01:55:27,290 --> 01:55:25,320
on that one show that we won't name with

3043
01:55:30,649 --> 01:55:27,300
that from with that one guy that Round

3044
01:55:32,570 --> 01:55:30,659
Table yeah yeah and I'm like yeah he's

3045
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:32,580
he's a good he's a good gent and you

3046
01:55:36,050 --> 01:55:34,739
know the people love you I love you man

3047
01:55:37,729 --> 01:55:36,060
um next week

3048
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:37,739
it's like actually to get up from the

3049
01:55:46,450 --> 01:55:43,669
that's the thing it's so comfortable

3050
01:55:51,169 --> 01:55:48,709
oh man you can come on whenever you want

3051
01:55:52,850 --> 01:55:51,179
it's like where do we say man let's talk

3052
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:52,860
about UFOs I'm like dude we're we're

3053
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:54,719
talking about in the English language

3054
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:58,159
and translating it into Sumerian

3055
01:56:04,850 --> 01:56:00,239
you know they claimed that they were

3056
01:56:08,030 --> 01:56:06,169
actually you know what ladies and

3057
01:56:09,950 --> 01:56:08,040
gentlemen next week

3058
01:56:12,109 --> 01:56:09,960
um very very special very special

3059
01:56:15,109 --> 01:56:12,119
edition of the show I'm gonna have

3060
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:15,119
chance Gardner and Venice McNeil from

3061
01:56:19,370 --> 01:56:17,280
magical Egypt

3062
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:19,380
on the show they're going to be live

3063
01:56:24,649 --> 01:56:20,880
from I think there still might be in

3064
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:24,659
Thailand so that will be a 10 p.m show

3065
01:56:29,870 --> 01:56:27,199
um I'm gonna figure out the schedule

3066
01:56:31,129 --> 01:56:29,880
in oh

3067
01:56:32,810 --> 01:56:31,139
sorry I'm going to figure out the

3068
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,820
schedule for like April's pretty much

3069
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:34,560
not going to change I don't think and

3070
01:56:38,510 --> 01:56:35,940
then in May once I get in a new house

3071
01:56:41,570 --> 01:56:38,520
and actually have a somewhat of a studio

3072
01:56:44,209 --> 01:56:41,580
built again then I can I can really kick

3073
01:56:46,010 --> 01:56:44,219
things into high gear so I want to say

3074
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:46,020
thank you very much everybody for tuning

3075
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:50,040
in you guys make this a a treat every

3076
01:56:54,590 --> 01:56:52,440
single week I'm honored and I'm humbled

3077
01:56:57,169 --> 01:56:54,600
uh to be joined by people such as

3078
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:57,179
William who are willing to come talk to

3079
01:57:01,310 --> 01:56:58,880
me for two hours

3080
01:57:03,649 --> 01:57:01,320
and for all of you for spending your

3081
01:57:06,109 --> 01:57:03,659
time with me on this Thursday evening

3082
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:06,119
night or afternoon or more or Friday

3083
01:57:09,229 --> 01:57:07,440
morning if you're listening from

3084
01:57:12,410 --> 01:57:09,239
Australia because I know we do have a

3085
01:57:14,990 --> 01:57:12,420
lot of a lot of Aussie friends uh

3086
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:15,000
uh it it's this is this is episode five

3087
01:57:20,570 --> 01:57:18,239
uh I'm starting to get back into the

3088
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:20,580
mode of uh starting the show late which

3089
01:57:25,490 --> 01:57:23,280
means it's starting to get good and I'm

3090
01:57:26,689 --> 01:57:25,500
starting to feel that this was something

3091
01:57:29,930 --> 01:57:26,699
that I missed and I missed all of you

3092
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:29,940
guys truly uh and this isn't just me

3093
01:57:33,290 --> 01:57:32,159
just being tired talking it it has been

3094
01:57:35,330 --> 01:57:33,300
something that I've been looking I look

3095
01:57:36,890 --> 01:57:35,340
forward to every single week and I have

3096
01:57:38,570 --> 01:57:36,900
missed it

3097
01:57:40,910 --> 01:57:38,580
um so

3098
01:57:43,010 --> 01:57:40,920
what I'm trying to say is

3099
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,020
it doesn't matter if you start something

3100
01:57:47,149 --> 01:57:44,880
you stop something

3101
01:57:49,570 --> 01:57:47,159
if you're going to do something whether

3102
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:49,580
you wait a week a month a year a decade

3103
01:57:56,990 --> 01:57:53,040
it's got to be right for you and it has

3104
01:57:58,129 --> 01:57:57,000
to be something that you enjoy and it

3105
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:58,139
has to be something that adds to your

3106
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:59,760
life not takes away

3107
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,960
so

3108
01:58:07,550 --> 01:58:03,119
wherever you are whatever you're doing

3109
01:58:08,810 --> 01:58:07,560
uh be kind yourselves and if you're in a

3110
01:58:10,189 --> 01:58:08,820
spot of trouble

3111
01:58:12,410 --> 01:58:10,199
or you need to talk to somebody about

3112
01:58:15,410 --> 01:58:12,420
something don't be afraid to be kind to

3113
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:15,420
yourself I already said that just yeah

3114
01:58:19,250 --> 01:58:16,560
like at the end of the day just be kind

3115
01:58:20,270 --> 01:58:19,260
to yourselves like especially online uh

3116
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:20,280
don't

3117
01:58:25,070 --> 01:58:23,520
it day by day you'll get through it

3118
01:58:27,169 --> 01:58:25,080
we'll all get through it

3119
01:58:28,490 --> 01:58:27,179
so to all of you